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Iznaliu

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I'd only rejoice if it's out of the hands of Bethesda. I'm sure even Avellone alone couldn't salvage the wreck a Fallout 5 would be.

Bethesda is not giving up its golden cash-cow.
 
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sort of off topic, but I loved fallout and fallout II and was extremely butthurt about the cancellation of the original van buren fallout 3 and have never played a single minute of any of the fallout games after fallout 2. That being said I have of course heard the endless praise for New Vegas, but have not played it. I notice it is on sale for 4.99.

I hate Bethesda games. Always have. Hated Daggerfall. Hated morrowwind. I cant not play any of their games for more than a few minutes without becoming bored or annoyed. Given all of the above is it even worth it for me to give New Vegas a try at this point? Anybody else basically feel like I do, but enjoyed new vegas? Do I have to play it like an action game?

I don't care about the money so much, that is not why I am asking... but I just don't want to put 10 hours into it and then realize it is shit and never touch it again and just waste an entire day. Any answers would be appreciated, TIA.
 
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I notice it is on sale for 4.99.I hate Bethesda games.
NV was made by Obsidian not Bethesda, it just uses their shitty engine. Also Obsidian doesn't earn money from NV's sales because Bethesda fucked them over, so imo you should pirate it instead

I realize obsidian made it..... however due to the fact it uses the engine designed by Bethesda for fallout 3 the FPS, I am worried that the attempted obsidian repair job may not be able to successfully isolate and quarantine all of the things I hate about Bethesda design from leaking through the attempted bandage applied by Obsidian.

And I am way too lazy to deal with pirating a game, I would rather pay $4.99 and just avoid any hassle that sometimes goes along with pirating. I don't even have any peer to peer software currently loaded on this computer and have zero interest in messing with it at this point in my life.
 
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due to the fact it uses the engine designed by Bethesda for fallout 3 the FPS, I am worried that the attempted obsidian repair job may not be able to successfully isolate and quarantine all of the things I hate about Bethesda design from leaking through the attempted bandage applied by Obsidian.

Even though it IS Obsidian doing what it used to do best, it is still unfortunately stuck in the fucking terrible Bethesda Engine. There is nothing on this entire Earth that can wipe the horrible stench of that shit from it. Period.

Unless one day, someone makes an entire New Vegas Mod in the Fallout 2 engine....
 
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due to the fact it uses the engine designed by Bethesda for fallout 3 the FPS, I am worried that the attempted obsidian repair job may not be able to successfully isolate and quarantine all of the things I hate about Bethesda design from leaking through the attempted bandage applied by Obsidian.

Even though it IS Obsidian doing what it used to do best, it is still unfortunately stuck in the fucking terrible Bethesda Engine. There is nothing on this entire Earth that can wipe the horrible stench of that shit from it. Period.

Unless one day, someone makes an entire New Vegas Mod in the Fallout 2 engine....
yes that is exactly what I am worried about, its just I have heard so much praise for it that it makes me sometimes consider trying it. Mostly I am just not wanting to waste hours on it and realize that yep, I can't play this all the way through because of how much the engine and FPS and action game elements leak through. Is there 'jumping' in the game? Like real time making your character jump to get places or for combat advantages?

The answer to this question might help me out greatly...
 

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sort of off topic, but I loved fallout and fallout II and was extremely butthurt about the cancellation of the original van buren fallout 3 and have never played a single minute of any of the fallout games after fallout 2. That being said I have of course heard the endless praise for New Vegas, but have not played it. I notice it is on sale for 4.99.

I hate Bethesda games. Always have. Hated Daggerfall. Hated morrowwind. I cant not play any of their games for more than a few minutes without becoming bored or annoyed. Given all of the above is it even worth it for me to give New Vegas a try at this point? Anybody else basically feel like I do, but enjoyed new vegas? Do I have to play it like an action game?

I don't care about the money so much, that is not why I am asking... but I just don't want to put 10 hours into it and then realize it is shit and never touch it again and just waste an entire day. Any answers would be appreciated, TIA.
Meh, forget about that if you really want the original experience.

What you need is Fallout 1.5: Resurrection

and after that, Fallout Nevada's English translation will probably be finished and polished, so you can go to that.
 

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If it a Fallout game then Bethesda must be working on it.

Then either it's

1) A DLC for Fallout 4 (but GOTY was already released so it is unlikely)

2) A Fallout 4 spin-off title like New Vegas was made for Fallout 3 (but done by Bethesda this time ?)
 
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sort of off topic, but I loved fallout and fallout II and was extremely butthurt about the cancellation of the original van buren fallout 3 and have never played a single minute of any of the fallout games after fallout 2. That being said I have of course heard the endless praise for New Vegas, but have not played it. I notice it is on sale for 4.99.

I hate Bethesda games. Always have. Hated Daggerfall. Hated morrowwind. I cant not play any of their games for more than a few minutes without becoming bored or annoyed. Given all of the above is it even worth it for me to give New Vegas a try at this point? Anybody else basically feel like I do, but enjoyed new vegas? Do I have to play it like an action game?

I don't care about the money so much, that is not why I am asking... but I just don't want to put 10 hours into it and then realize it is shit and never touch it again and just waste an entire day. Any answers would be appreciated, TIA.
Meh, forget about that if you really want the original experience.

What you need is Fallout 1.5: Resurrection

and after that, Fallout Nevada's English translation will probably be finished and polished, so you can go to that.

well I guess my original post was sort of a lie, because I have played more fallout after fallout and fallout 2, because I have fallout 2 and the fallout 1.5 resurrection mod installed and have so far played about 20 hours of it. I have enjoyed it. I hope to play the Nevada mod when it has a full English translation as well.
 

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due to the fact it uses the engine designed by Bethesda for fallout 3 the FPS, I am worried that the attempted obsidian repair job may not be able to successfully isolate and quarantine all of the things I hate about Bethesda design from leaking through the attempted bandage applied by Obsidian.

Even though it IS Obsidian doing what it used to do best, it is still unfortunately stuck in the fucking terrible Bethesda Engine. There is nothing on this entire Earth that can wipe the horrible stench of that shit from it. Period.

Unless one day, someone makes an entire New Vegas Mod in the Fallout 2 engine....
yes that is exactly what I am worried about, its just I have heard so much praise for it that it makes me sometimes consider trying it. Mostly I am just not wanting to waste hours on it and realize that yep, I can't play this all the way through because of how much the engine and FPS and action game elements leak through. Is there 'jumping' in the game? Like real time making your character jump to get places or for combat advantages?

The answer to this question might help me out greatly...
I spent 12h in Fallout New Vegas hoping the writing and world building will be good enough to ignore shitty engine and shitty action combat... but it didn't. Out of those 12h I spend probably at least 9h walking around or doing that shitty combat in a shit engine... so yea, not worth buying and playing the game. Fallout 4 does combat part better and Fallout 1 and 2 do everything better.
And what I found of characters and quests in that 12h was not up to Fallout 1/2 level.
 

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yes that is exactly what I am worried about, its just I have heard so much praise for it that it makes me sometimes consider trying it. Mostly I am just not wanting to waste hours on it and realize that yep, I can't play this all the way through because of how much the engine and FPS and action game elements leak through. Is there 'jumping' in the game? Like real time making your character jump to get places or for combat advantages?

The answer to this question might help me out greatly...

This isn't the Witcher ROLL Playing game so no, you don't just Roll from enemy to enemy. It's STILL Fallout in heart and spirit (as much as it can be). Still, as much as it pains me to say it, you should still give it a try. It's one of the best Obsidian games made since Mask of the Betrayer.
 

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He's dead, Jim. Stop molesting the corpse and try moving to the greener pastures.

(applies to all parties, entities and franchises mentioned in the thread)
 
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due to the fact it uses the engine designed by Bethesda for fallout 3 the FPS, I am worried that the attempted obsidian repair job may not be able to successfully isolate and quarantine all of the things I hate about Bethesda design from leaking through the attempted bandage applied by Obsidian.

Even though it IS Obsidian doing what it used to do best, it is still unfortunately stuck in the fucking terrible Bethesda Engine. There is nothing on this entire Earth that can wipe the horrible stench of that shit from it. Period.

Unless one day, someone makes an entire New Vegas Mod in the Fallout 2 engine....
yes that is exactly what I am worried about, its just I have heard so much praise for it that it makes me sometimes consider trying it. Mostly I am just not wanting to waste hours on it and realize that yep, I can't play this all the way through because of how much the engine and FPS and action game elements leak through. Is there 'jumping' in the game? Like real time making your character jump to get places or for combat advantages?

The answer to this question might help me out greatly...
I spent 12h in Fallout New Vegas hoping the writing and world building will be good enough to ignore shitty engine and shitty action combat... but it didn't. Out of those 12h I spend probably at least 9h walking around or doing that shitty combat in a shit engine... so yea, not worth buying and playing the game. Fallout 4 does combat part better and Fallout 1 and 2 do everything better.
And what I found of characters and quests in that 12h was not up to Fallout 1/2 level.
thanks, that's basically what I have been guessing would happen if I played it whenever I have thought about perhaps trying the game..
 

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Then either it's

1) A DLC for Fallout 4 (but GOTY was already released so it is unlikely)

2) A Fallout 4 spin-off title like New Vegas was made for Fallout 3 (but done by Bethesda this time ?)

You forgot "3) Fallout 5".
 

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Holla, I too was skeptical of New Vegas. I was horribly disappointed by Fallout 3, then when New Vegas came out I stopped playing after the first half hour because I assumed it would be F3 all over again. I couldn’t have been more wrong.

Fast forward to two years ago: Fallout 4 comes out, I know it’s going to be deeply flawed, but my nostalgia for the originals made me buy it. So I play it and I try very hard to pretend it’s an RPG, but I just can’t. That’s when I saw so many people on the interweb hating on 4 and saying New Vegas was vastly superior—an actual RPG in the spirit of the original Fallouts. So I gave it another try.

And fuck me, New Vegas is amazing. The Avellone written DLC is amazing. I spent three months playing it almost nonstop, to the point where my girlfriend poured a bottle of soda into my PC’s innards to make me stop (I needed a new PC anyway so the joke’s on her).

Sure, New Vegas has the same engine as 3, but it is a real role playing game, not a shooter in RPG’s clothing. Plus, at this point there are tons of mods that make it look and play better.

More important, New Vegas is full of terrific choice and consequence, the writing is fantastic, the tone actually matches the originals, especially the dark humor. And unlike Bethesda’s fallouts, there are no true good guys, just shades of gray. Skill checks are super important. Same goes for SPECIAL stats. Like the original, there’s unique dialogue for high intelligence, low intelligence and normal intelligence characters. Overall, I’d say it has the best RPG dialogue of the past decade.

The companions are interesting, the NPCs are super engaging. The factions are unparalleled. And yes, their BoS is authentic to the original. For $5 it’s a steal. I think it’s Obsidian’s best game and I say that as a real Obsidian fanboy.

PS. To the guy who played for 12 hours and spent nine of those wandering around shooting stuff, what the hellz? You should’ve focused on the towns. If you play New Vegas like it’s 3 or 4 (where there’s little to do other than wandering around shooting stuff) of course it’s going to feel like 3 or 4.
 

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PS. To the guy who played for 12 hours and spent nine of those wandering around shooting stuff, what the hellz? You should’ve focused on the towns. If you play New Vegas like it’s 3 or 4 (where there’s little to do other than wandering around shooting stuff) of course it’s going to feel like 3 or 4.
That would be me. I did mostly focus on towns. I visited the first village, fought bandits off. Found the prison, did some quest there. Found that close by casino village, did some hotel mission there. Found New Republic base at edge of map, got some quest there. Found the village torched by fake Romans, killed the patrol inside. Then fake Romans started hunting me all over the place. Found some DLC content, it all said I was too low a level. Then found the place with big Rocket, got a quest to investigate the glowing factory. Got there, found glowing ghouls, fought my way inside. Found its residents, did the quest in the basement and then got another quest from them. Decided to roam a bit then and got fed up with terrible engine and even worse combat system. That was my 12h playing it. None of the content in that time was very interesting and I don't remember any memorable NPCs or conversations from that time. Also none of the C&C that F1 and F2 had.
 

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PS. To the guy who played for 12 hours and spent nine of those wandering around shooting stuff, what the hellz? You should’ve focused on the towns. If you play New Vegas like it’s 3 or 4 (where there’s little to do other than wandering around shooting stuff) of course it’s going to feel like 3 or 4.
That would be me. I did mostly focus on towns. I visited the first village, fought bandits off. Found the prison, did some quest there. Found that close by casino village, did some hotel mission there. Found New Republic base at edge of map, got some quest there. Found the village torched by fake Romans, killed the patrol inside. Then fake Romans started hunting me all over the place. Found some DLC content, it all said I was too low a level. Then found the place with big Rocket, got a quest to investigate the glowing factory. Got there, found glowing ghouls, fought my way inside. Found its residents, did the quest in the basement and then got another quest from them. Decided to roam a bit then and got fed up with terrible engine and even worse combat system. That was my 12h playing it. None of the content in that time was very interesting and I don't remember any memorable NPCs or conversations from that time. Also none of the C&C that F1 and F2 had.

Most of the big C&C is after you reach Vegas, but you actually made some big choices and experienced the consequences in what you wrote above. You could’ve helped the gang take over the first town (goodsprings) rather than saving it—they then welcome you with open arms at the nearby prison. In the second town, you had the option to decide if the NCR military would take over or the local sheriff would keep running things. In Nipton, you chose to fight the legion and experienced the consequences when the legion started trying to kill you. No reason you couldn’t have stayed neutral or sided with them instead. Results in a very different experience.

Did you do any other quests in Novac before you went to the rocket facility? Boone, the NCR sniper at the top of the dinosaur (and first human companion if you follow the road), has one of the best side quests in the game. I’m guessing you didn’t do it because it’s memorable as hell.

If you’d just stuck with it a little longer (or kept traveling north rather than immediately doing the rocket quest) you’d have gotten to Vegas pretty quickly from that point and reached the best content. I recommend opening up your latest save, then either recruit Boone in Novac or make a beeline for Vegas or the NCR army base just south of Vegas. On your way north you can recruit a BoS officer and I’m pretty sure she can get you into the nearby brotherhood bunker, which has some neat content. Maybe download some mods first to improve the engine. You don’t know what your missing.

Out of curiosity, what weapons were you using that you hated combat so much?
 

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If 12h is not enough to reach at least good content I don't care to continue. I lost that save long time ago when I reinstalled my PC. Later I tried to mod the game to look much nicer after I bought a better PC but the mods broke everything so even my new run was stopped cold before I even played 1 hour. I do know what I am missing. Another 12h of boring game in terrible engine.
I still have that Fallout 1.5 mod to play, I with rather play something good then FNV.

EDIT: You are talking to a guy that hates this engine so much I uninstalled Fallout 3 after 1 hour soon after I exited the vault. FNV would need to blow my mind with its content every 10 minutes for me to keep torturing myself. I think 12h is more than a fair time I gave it.
 
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PS. To the guy who played for 12 hours and spent nine of those wandering around shooting stuff, what the hellz? You should’ve focused on the towns. If you play New Vegas like it’s 3 or 4 (where there’s little to do other than wandering around shooting stuff) of course it’s going to feel like 3 or 4.
That would be me. I did mostly focus on towns. I visited the first village, fought bandits off. Found the prison, did some quest there. Found that close by casino village, did some hotel mission there. Found New Republic base at edge of map, got some quest there. Found the village torched by fake Romans, killed the patrol inside. Then fake Romans started hunting me all over the place. Found some DLC content, it all said I was too low a level. Then found the place with big Rocket, got a quest to investigate the glowing factory. Got there, found glowing ghouls, fought my way inside. Found its residents, did the quest in the basement and then got another quest from them. Decided to roam a bit then and got fed up with terrible engine and even worse combat system. That was my 12h playing it. None of the content in that time was very interesting and I don't remember any memorable NPCs or conversations from that time. Also none of the C&C that F1 and F2 had.

To be honest the game doesn't really pick up before you get in touch with Mr. House and into the whole NCR vs Legion conflict.
 

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At least play Fallout: Nevada instead of 1.5. It’s all translated now even if in some parts the translation still needs some editing. Fallout: Nevada is almost as big as F2, and it’s way way way better than 1.5.
 

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At least play Fallout: Nevada instead of 1.5. It’s all translated now even if in some parts the translation still needs some editing. Fallout: Nevada is almost as big as F2, and it’s way way way better than 1.5.
I can play both?
 

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At least play Fallout: Nevada instead of 1.5. It’s all translated now even if in some parts the translation still needs some editing. Fallout: Nevada is almost as big as F2, and it’s way way way better than 1.5.
I can play both?
You should, Resurrection is great. Should be played in between F1 and F2.

I am looking forward to finished nevada translation.

it is a shame you hate gamebryo so much. I modded it so it looked ok, and FNV is actually a fantastic fallout game. Has ton of great quests and characters.
 

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At least play Fallout: Nevada instead of 1.5. It’s all translated now even if in some parts the translation still needs some editing. Fallout: Nevada is almost as big as F2, and it’s way way way better than 1.5.
I can play both?
You should, Resurrection is great. Should be played in between F1 and F2.

I am looking forward to finished nevada translation.

it is a shame you hate gamebryo so much. I modded it so it looked ok, and FNV is actually a fantastic fallout game. Has ton of great quests and characters.
I hate most first person action RPGs. I only enjoyed Vampire Bloodlines and only because it did have something awesome happen every 10 minutes and combat was mostly relegated to mission areas and not everywhere.

I also somewhat enjoyed Fallout 4 but only because I didn't play it as or consider it a RPG. I played it a post apocalyptic shooter with gathering and crafting and it is decent fun that way.
 

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At least play Fallout: Nevada instead of 1.5. It’s all translated now even if in some parts the translation still needs some editing. Fallout: Nevada is almost as big as F2, and it’s way way way better than 1.5.
I can play both?
You should, Resurrection is great. Should be played in between F1 and F2.

I am looking forward to finished nevada translation.

it is a shame you hate gamebryo so much. I modded it so it looked ok, and FNV is actually a fantastic fallout game. Has ton of great quests and characters.
I hate most first person action RPGs. I only enjoyed Vampire Bloodlines and only because it did have something awesome happen every 10 minutes and combat was mostly relegated to mission areas and not everywhere.

I also somewhat enjoyed Fallout 4 but only because I didn't play it as or consider it a RPG. I played it a post apocalyptic shooter with gathering and crafting and it is decent fun that way.

Ok now that is utterly mindboggling. If you enjoy Fallout 4, then why the hell couldn't you enjoy FNV. The gunplay is not THAT different, and FNV has infinitely better writing and design.
 

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At least play Fallout: Nevada instead of 1.5. It’s all translated now even if in some parts the translation still needs some editing. Fallout: Nevada is almost as big as F2, and it’s way way way better than 1.5.
I can play both?
You should, Resurrection is great. Should be played in between F1 and F2.

I am looking forward to finished nevada translation.

it is a shame you hate gamebryo so much. I modded it so it looked ok, and FNV is actually a fantastic fallout game. Has ton of great quests and characters.
I hate most first person action RPGs. I only enjoyed Vampire Bloodlines and only because it did have something awesome happen every 10 minutes and combat was mostly relegated to mission areas and not everywhere.

I also somewhat enjoyed Fallout 4 but only because I didn't play it as or consider it a RPG. I played it a post apocalyptic shooter with gathering and crafting and it is decent fun that way.

Ok now that is utterly mindboggling. If you enjoy Fallout 4, then why the hell couldn't you enjoy FNV. The gunplay is not THAT different, and FNV has infinitely better writing and design.
F4 engine is vastly better and works well as shooter. Also it was fun upgrading my weapons and armor. I just ignored all quests and story and just roamed around killing shit. I didn't play for long, got bored after a while.

FNV shooting and combat was vastly worse than F4.
 

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