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Incline Chris Avellone Appreciation Station

Discussion in 'General RPG Discussion' started by Crooked Bee, Jul 27, 2015.

  1. Master Learned

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    Emotionaly attractive storytelling.
    :hmmm:
     
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  2. Fairfax Arcane

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    Interview update:

    The interview was split in two parts. Part 1 will have my questions, Part 2 will be the user questions.
    We finished Part 1 last saturday.
    Part 2 has more than 80 questions (3400 words), so that will take a while. MCA had to go back to his current projects, and we'll work it out when he has time again.

    Thought I should say this in advance: I don't know what kind of expectation people have after so long. Chris went out of his way to give interesting, detailed answers (final piece should have ~14k words), so if any of you find it disappointing/not worth the wait, the problem must be the questions.

    I'm still working on the formatting and pictures, but it should be in Infinitron's hands tomorrow.

    :drink:

    EDIT: the word count was including user questions that will be in Part 2. Part 1 should have ~11k.
     
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  3. Big Wrangle Educated

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    I mean, it's still worth appreciating the time and work that went into it at least. Good luck on the rest of it.
     
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  4. Chris Avellone Arcane Developer

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    If the interview's disappointing/not worth the wait, I guarantee it's more the answers than the questions, trust me.

    For Part 2, we're still discussing format - for simplicity, I might answer them piecemeal here in the forum thread (and if someone wants to collect them, they can, but I doubt it'd be worth it for all the 80+ questions), as I'd at least be able to make some incremental progress rather than a huge word dump many years later. :/

    Anyway, I do hope the answers in the coming interview are informative/interesting, but we'll see.
     
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  5. Trans-Financial-Man Novice

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    Really looking forward to some insight into KotOR 2 in particular. I do get the sense from your writing that after reading all of the EU you were less than impressed with Star Wars lore especially regarding the force. So my question is, If so did that colour your writing of the game. And moving on from that, if there was one plot point or trope of Star Wars you could exploit that you haven't already, what would it be?
     
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  6. aweigh Arcane

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    What'd u think of the last jedi
     
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  7. Chris Avellone Arcane Developer

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    I think the issue was that at some point, the Force became predestination, and I felt it robbed a lot of the drama from the series and made my RPG-heart frown. I still ignore most of what’s said or explained about the Force that isn’t in Yoda’s dialogue in The Empire Strikes Back, which I thought was simply put and it was beautiful for that simplicity.

    I wish there was a trope that came to mind remaining in Star Wars but I found that Clone Wars (the 6-season TV show, although I liked the cartoon shorts before that) and Rebels, once you get past the pilot episodes for each series, go much deeper than I was expecting. Also, if that wasn’t enough, many of the ideas in the Dark Horse comics I thought were well done, especially the “Dark Times” series, where they examine what life as a Jedi would be like after they are betrayed – they dig pretty deep into what it must be like trying to survive in a universe where the Jedi are persecuted, and the very difficult moral choices that have to be made to survive. It's a great read (and well-drawn, too).

    I didn’t care for it overall, but there were things I did like about it. It would require a lot of spoilers to say exactly why for the pros and cons. I did like Rogue One very much, mostly because of Cassian’s arc – it was really surprising and interesting to see what he was willing to do for the cause, but then they do it one better by making it a motivation for a suicide mission against the odds in a way that made sense to me at the end. I thought Rogue One was pretty solid (the bad guy kinda lacked punch was my only minor complaint).

    If curious, a summary of my spoiler critique is below:

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    Pros: Kylo and Rey turning from the Sith and Jedi, the salt planet aesthetics and feel (the battle made it look like blood in the snow, which was great), Yoda’s lesson/theme on mentoring is great (even if I didn’t think it was 100% carried out). I like Rey as a character very much, and I didn’t hate BB8 as much as I thought I would – I think he’s okay.

    Cons: Kylo Ren in about every respect, who the hell is Snoke, Luke is unfairly placed in a scapegoat role to try and give sympathy for Kylo, the use of Force powers in the movie is painful (illusions and Leia-in-space), the comedy was badly paced, the slow chase of the Rebels was boring and made more confusing by a sudden detour to Casablanca planet then salted with moral ambiguity that was so much better done in Rogue One, the technology revealed (especially the hyperdrive ramming speed) is franchise-breaking (why don’t you just make drone ships like that to shred the enemy?), no clue about the Rebel base until it’s too late to save the motivation, Finn’s one chance to do something actually helpful is prevented making you hate both characters even more, Rey goes into a black hole of incomprehension at the bottom of the island and then stands in front of a mirror and… and… I still couldn’t tell you what that was all about. I don’t think there would be a good answer.
     
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  8. 2house2fly Liturgist

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    In a setting where everyone uses lasers, they'd probably balk at the expense of building a ship with the sole purpose of destroying it. That reminds me though, ever watch Star Trek 2009 where they can teleport transportalponder onto a ship millions of miles away and wonder "why do we have ships at all then"
     
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  9. Generic-Giant-Spider Educated

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    OH CHRIS AVELLONE.

    (He's here, he's here... be cool)

    I mean, hey Chris. You seem okay.
     
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  10. HoboForEternity Arcane

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    The clone wars' rough first 2 to 3 season was pretty rough to get into, it feels like your usual cartoon with little developments or relatively low stakes.

    The later 3rd season and especially 4 and 5 was damn excellent, even i feel the animatoon and fights scene is better too
     
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  11. Kyl Von Kull Magister

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    Chris Avellone, while you’re here, did The Myth of Sysiphus have any influence on PS:T, particularly the ending? We’ve been arguing about it in another thread.

    You know that scene in Annie Hall where Woody Allen’s arguing about The Sorrow and the Pity with the guy in front of him in line, so he sort of magically pulls the director from the ether and the director smacks down the other dude? I’ve always wanted to do this—please make my dream come true!
     
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  12. AwesomeButton Cut a deal with the authorities Patron

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    PC RPG Website of the Year, 2015 Divinity: Original Sin 2 A Beautifully Desolate Campaign Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire
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  13. Latro Arcane

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    chris chris, can I have your cammy figurine, please!!!
     
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  14. Stainless Veteran Arcane

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    If we are already violating good manners and asking again why hasn't senpai noticed us - Chris, you've also seemed to miss my question too. :despair:
     
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  15. Junmarko Ravioli di canguro Patron

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    Grab the Codex by the pussy Bubbles In Memoria Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire
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  16. sgm Educated

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    For a 50 page graphic novel it would probably cost them $25000 to get the art and lettering done at a professional level of quality. It would take a little under 3 months to produce.

    Free art would take a lot longer. People need to work and if they're not getting paid to draw a comic, then they're doing it in their free time. That's 8 hours a day to draw if you ignore life (family/friends/prestigious crpgs). So, basically you'll work 16 hours a day (day job+comics drawing) for nearly 3 months (providing you want to finish things ASAP) or 12 hours a day for half a year. All the while you're still making only what your day job provides. Anyone still surprised why so many people don't succeed in making comics professionally, unless they work with a paying publisher? Even if the burnout doesn't kill the poor individual who takes this thing on (it might not, after all I've done it myself) the quality of work will still suffer from the long work hours. Chris's writing deserves better than that. Especially after how much money the campaign raised on Kickstarter having his name attached to it.

    I would love to do it myself, as I've been drawing comics professionally for 10 years now and am a fan of MCA. Think I could do a good job of it too, but no way in hell would I do it for free when I could actually get work from a publisher paying me a comparable rate to what I quoted above.
     
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  17. santino27 Cipher

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    Agree on your critiques of TLJ, although I'll also toss in that Holdo was a purple-haired idiot whose plan sucked and who watched most of the rebels die before coming up with her 'heroic' sacrifice that could've been just as easily accomplished with a droid autopilot, Poe magically became a dumbass that nobody would ever actually want to follow, Rose's sole role was to inject social commentary and keep Finn from doing anything of value, and Luke's character was ruined just for a half-movie of 'wait, maybe kylo can be redeemed. jk. lolz.'

    If the goal was to pare the alliance down to almost nothing and leave them in a situation of having their backs against the wall while also vaulting Kylo and Hux (lol) to control of the First Order, I think there were far better ways to accomplish it than that horrible movie.

    Also, fwiw, I enjoyed Rogue One, but I think a lot of that was that its awesome 3rd act made up for the two weaker acts that preceded it.
     
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  18. aweigh Arcane

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    Jenny Nichols told me not to like Rogue One so I don't.
     
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  19. Master Learned

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    Hey Chris, what's your favorite non-rpg game? Give us your top ten list or at least top three(non-rpgs).
     
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  20. 2house2fly Liturgist

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    [PR] Into The Breach and Prey, of course!
     
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  21. Cael Ask me about BattleTech Edgy

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    HOW DARE YOU!

    TLJ is NOT for you misogynistic fanbois! It is for strongk wymmyn! It is the Gamergate of Star Wars. How DARE you talk down to wymmyn!
    - according to this review

    On a more serious note: When "but, but, but, but wymmyn!" is the best you can come up with for a movie review, it is time to stop defending that piece of shit and give it a 0/5.
     
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  22. Zed Duke of Banville Arcane Patron

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    Not a director, but rather Marshall McLuhan, a Canadian media theorist famous for his book The Medium Is the Message.


    Alvy Singer: [the man behind him in line is talking loudly] What I wouldn't give for a large sock with horse manure in it!

    Alvy Singer: [to audience] Whaddya do when you get stuck in a movie line with a guy like this behind you?

    Man in Theatre Line: Wait a minute, why can't I give my opinion? It's a free country!

    Alvy Singer: He can give it...do you have to give it so loud? I mean, aren't you ashamed to pontificate like that? And the funny part of it is, Marshall McLuhan, you don't know anything about Marshall McLuhan!

    Man in Theatre Line: Oh, really? Well, I happen to teach a class at Columbia called "TV, Media and Culture." So I think my insights into Mr. McLuhan, well, have a great deal of validity!

    Alvy Singer: Oh, do ya? Well, that's funny, because I happen to have Mr. McLuhan right here, so, so, yeah, just let me...

    [pulls McLuhan out from behind a nearby poster]

    Alvy Singer: come over here for a second...tell him!

    Marshall McLuhan: I heard what you were saying! You know nothing of my work! You mean my whole fallacy is wrong. How you ever got to teach a course in anything is totally amazing!

    Alvy Singer: Boy, if life were only like this!
     
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  23. Maxie Magister

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    Asking Avellone whether he wasted his time on Russian jank, such gall on you
     
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    Show Spoiler
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