Tacticular Cancer: We'll have your balls

  1. Welcome to rpgcodex.net, a site dedicated to discussing computer based role-playing games in a free and open fashion. We're less strict than other forums, but please refer to the rules.

    "This message is awaiting moderator approval": All new users must pass through our moderation queue before they will be able to post normally. Until your account has "passed" your posts will only be visible to yourself (and moderators) until they are approved. Give us a week to get around to approving / deleting / ignoring your mundane opinion on crap before hassling us about it. Once you have passed the moderation period (think of it as a test), you will be able to post normally, just like all the other retards.
    Dismiss Notice

Development Info Chris Avellone and Josh Sawyer on Van Buren at Eurogamer

Discussion in 'RPG News & Content' started by Infinitron, Sep 21, 2017.

  1. Make America Great Again Infinitrongender: ⚧ Trade Master Patron

    Infinitron
    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2011
    Parrots:
    64,448
    Codex 2016 - The Age of Grimoire Serpent in the Staglands Dead State Divinity: Original Sin Project: Eternity Torment: Tides of Numenera Wasteland 2 Shadorwun: Hong Kong Divinity: Original Sin 2 BattleTech A Beautifully Desolate Campaign Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire
    Click here and disable ads!
    Tags: Black Isle Studios; Chris Avellone; Fallout 3 (Van Buren); Interplay; J.E. Sawyer

    In what may be a leftover from the recent Obsidian media campaign, the folks at Eurogamer have made the cancelled Fallout 3 by Interplay, commonly known as Van Buren, the topic of the latest episode of their "Here's A Thing" weekly video series. They've brought on Chris Avellone and Josh Sawyer to talk about the game's development - mainly the former, who also gave them access to some of its design documents. The video is 13 minutes long, but you don't really have to watch it, since the accompanying article helpfully includes a full transcript. I'll post an excerpt from that along with the video:



    Although Fallout doesn't rely on distinct classes like many RPGs, Avellone recognised that players still tended to approach situations in one of three ways: relying on either combat, stealth or the speech skill. It was that last approach he felt could use some work in particular.

    "The one thing that's always kind of bothered me about Fallout," said Avellone. "Is that there's been a trend, and this is going to sound really specific, of using the speech skill as an instawin. I see the speech skill, so I'm not even going to think about it, I'm just going to choose it because that's going to allow me to get the optimum result from this conversation.

    "What I prefer is the mechanics we were going to do for Van Buren. We were going to give you more information about the person you were talking to, the longer you talked about them. Then you'd get to choose dialogue options that manipulate them a certain way. So for example, it may not be a bad thing to make someone hostile because you know based on speaking with this person, getting a sense of their psychology, what they're going to do when they get mad. That might be to your advantage. So seeing the red hostile response may not be a bad thing and a Speech character may want to guide a character towards that and provoke a certain result."

    There was other types of playstyle he wanted to accommodate for, on top of this. Inspired by a book called Lucifer's Hammer in which a character manages to take advantage of some advanced scientific knowledge that had been preserved from a time before the apocalypse, Avellone thought it might be fun to explore the idea of how a scientist with access to equipment and knowledge that pre-dated the nuclear war might be able to thrive in the wasteland.

    He designed a number of locations and questlines that catered for this kind of character type, including the Boulder Science Dome, a huge research facility that was also home to a community of scientists that had put themselves into a cold sleep stasis before the nukes were dropped.

    The first of these scientists to wake, a genius by the name of Presper would be the party leader antagonist we mentioned earlier. In Avellone's initial outline for the game's story, Presper monitored the player's actions throughout the game and then decided whether or not to cleanse the entire world of human life before waking his fellow scientists based on your decisions. No pressure.

    The player themselves was known as The Prisoner, as you'd begin the game escaping what you believe to be a prison in the American Southwest. Interestingly, during the character creation stage, you can decide whether or not your character was rightly convicted. If you decided that you had, in fact, been a criminal you could then select which crime you'd committed: were you a brahmin rustler? A chem user? Or a cannibal? Depending on your selection this would then impact your starting stats.

    Oh here's another thing you could select too: your character's race. The Fallout 3 we never played would have given us the option to play as either a human, a ghoul or a super mutant.

    "Yeah and each of them had their own communities and specific quests over the course of the game," explained Avellone. "Their own special traits, perks, and limitations that they could choose. Yeah, the fact that you could play something beyond a human was definitely one of the goals of the game."

    He also had plans to reinvent the Pip-Boy in Fallout 3, allowing players to monitor the Pip-Boys worn by the other prisoners that escaped alongside you, meaning you could then do things like reading their quest logs to see where they are and what they're up to.

    And more than that, your Pip-Boy would become useful in different kinds of situations as you played through the game.

    You'd start getting mods and add-ons and discovering new functionality if you're placed in dangerous situations," said Avellone. "Like, if you're trapped in a building and a fire broke out - this is a really small example - your Pip-Boy would suddenly wake up, let you know where all the fire exits were and where the sprinkler system was. And then suddenly you could use that functionality in any building you went into.

    "So the more you explored and the more you got exposed to certain situations, the more your interface would grow and expand. We sort of wanted the interface to feel like another dungeon you were exploring over the course of the game."
    The episode ends with the obligatory explanation of how various Van Buren elements were reimagined in Fallout: New Vegas. What has gone unmentioned in general is the possibility that the multiple party concept from the Van Buren tabletop roleplaying game might be an inspiration for the multiplayer in inXile's Wasteland 3 - a curious absence given that they even went to the trouble of trademarking "Van Buren". Chris Avellone is apparently helping out with the game in some capacity, but we've heard nothing official. Maybe it's a reveal they're saving for later.
     
    • Despair x 11
    • Brofist x 6
    • Thanks! x 3
    • Acknowledge this user's Agenda x 1
    • hopw roewur ne x 1
    • Salute x 1
    ^ Top  
  2. slowtardgender: ⚧ Literate

    slowtard
    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2017
    Parrots:
    15
    Slowtard still play the prototype from time to time until can't see the screen through uncontrollable tears.

    Once back home Slowtard found a dead man on the railroad tracks. He stole their drugs, so they held his down there when the train was coming. Slowtard collect some of the brains in a jar as keepsake on the shelf. It was very pretty, magnificent at first, but then started having nightmares and sleep paralysis. So Slowtard walk down into the ocean and throw the jar of brains as hard as possible. No more nightmares! No more paralysis! Just Van Buren.
     
    Last edited: Sep 21, 2017
    • incline x 3
    • WTF am I reading x 3
    • Funny x 1
    • Despair x 1
    • Salute x 1
    • Informative x 1
    • Friendly x 1
    • Bad Spelling x 1
    • Doggy x 1
    ^ Top  
  3. Gondolingender: ⚧ Arcane

    Gondolin
    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2007
    Parrots:
    3,622
    Location:
    In the Playground, reading LPs
    :negative:
     
    • Despair Despair x 2
    • Agree Agree x 1
    ^ Top  
  4. Laheygender: ⚧ Scholar

    Lahey
    Joined:
    Jun 10, 2017
    Parrots:
    432
    leaked bts video (open)
     
    ^ Top  
  5. Tavernkinggender: ⚧ Novice

    Tavernking
    Joined:
    Sep 1, 2017
    Parrots:
    57
    Multiple solutions of combat/stealth/speech should be in all RPGs. Can anyone think of a fourth?
     
    ^ Top  
  6. MRYgender: ⚧ Prestigious Gentleman Wormwood Studios Developer

    MRY
    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2012
    Parrots:
    3,009
    Location:
    California
    :decline:
     
    ^ Top  
  7. Glop_dwellergender: ⚧ Educated

    Glop_dweller
    Joined:
    Sep 29, 2007
    Parrots:
    87
    Stat Check; whichever the situation best warrants. A PC could fight their way through the gate, sneak through it, or lie their way through it; but perhaps they could also climb over the wall (or dig under it, or dig through it), or bribe the guard—if they had enough money, charisma, or intimidation.

    I have no qualms with a fixed background PC—be it as flimsy and non limiting as being a undefined prisoner, or being a fully defined character like Nameless, Geralt or even Lara Croft.
     
    Last edited: Sep 22, 2017
    ^ Top  
  8. Make America Great Again Rogueygender: ⚧ Arcane Sawyerite Sawyerist Sawyer's Bride No Fun Allowed

    Roguey
    Joined:
    May 29, 2010
    Parrots:
    20,562
    Sawyer wanted a science boy-supported path in Van Buren, which I suppose would involve creating/repairing necessary items.
     
    • incline incline x 3
    ^ Top  
  9. Trashosgender: ⚧ Savant

    Trashos
    Joined:
    Dec 28, 2015
    Parrots:
    485
    A science build with a MacGyver way of solving the quests would be so sweet.
     
    ^ Top  
  10. Make America Great Again Rogueygender: ⚧ Arcane Sawyerite Sawyerist Sawyer's Bride No Fun Allowed

    Roguey
    Joined:
    May 29, 2010
    Parrots:
    20,562
    New Vegas had its share of medicine, repair, and science checks. :M
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
    ^ Top  
  11. lukaszekgender: ⚧ Magister

    lukaszek
    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2015
    Parrots:
    1,911
    now i know how this character was born:
     
    ^ Top  
  12. felipepepegender: ⚧ Prestigious Gentleman Codex's Heretic Patron

    felipepepe
    Joined:
    Feb 2, 2007
    Parrots:
    15,789
    Location:
    Terra da Garoa
    I wonder why they don't provide a link to the Tech Demo. It's quite easy to find, but nowhere in the article they hint that you can actually download & play it.
     
    • Informative Informative x 1
    ^ Top  
  13. ssergender: ⚧ Arcane Cuck

    sser
    Joined:
    Mar 10, 2011
    Parrots:
    1,864,957
    Location:
    Texas
    Try LISA.
     
    • Brofist Brofist x 1
    ^ Top  
  14. Harg Harfardarssengender: ⚧ Cipher Patron

    Harg Harfardarssen
    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2012
    Parrots:
    980
    Location:
    Dreams, where I'm a viking.
    Project: Eternity Torment: Tides of Numenera
    Disappointingly, Avellone and Sawyer call in separately. Since I am not up on the latest Avellone v. Obsidian gossip, I was hoping to watch and speculate wildly about their body language sitting next to each other on the interview couch.
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
    ^ Top  
  15. dunno lahgender: ⚧ Arcane

    dunno lah
    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2013
    Parrots:
    1,385
    Location:
    Boleh!land
    Presper sounds so:prosper:
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
    • Funny Funny x 1
    • Prestigious Prestigious x 1
    ^ Top  
  16. Trashosgender: ⚧ Savant

    Trashos
    Joined:
    Dec 28, 2015
    Parrots:
    485
    True, I recall as much. But I don't think one needed a science build in order to be successful. I don't remember well though, I have played FNV only twice. There wasn't a mostly-science-build route through the game, was there?
     
    ^ Top  
  17. Make America Great Again Rogueygender: ⚧ Arcane Sawyerite Sawyerist Sawyer's Bride No Fun Allowed

    Roguey
    Joined:
    May 29, 2010
    Parrots:
    20,562
    One can likely complete the game tagging the three skills I listed, using ED-E and perhaps your science bro Arcade (or Veronica for a portable workbench) to handle the combat. You wouldn't be able to do everything, but that was never a goal.
     
    ^ Top  
  18. Maxiegender: ⚧ Erudite

    Maxie
    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2017
    Parrots:
    1,145
    Location:
    Argentina
    the deepest lore
     
    • Prestigious Prestigious x 1
    ^ Top  
  19. catfoodgender: ⚧ AGAIN

    catfood
    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2008
    Parrots:
    5,238
    Location:
    Nirvana for mice
     
    • Brofist Brofist x 1
    ^ Top  
  20. laclongquangender: ⚧ Arcane

    laclongquan
    Joined:
    Jan 10, 2007
    Parrots:
    1,865,099
    Location:
    Searching for my kidnapped sister
    Maybe not in Fallout universe but maybe Obsidian is preparing the way for a post apocalypse game? A post-modern, post-WW3 game would be good.
     
    • Disagree Disagree x 1
    ^ Top  
  21. Fenixgender: ⚧ Arbiter

    Fenix
    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2015
    Parrots:
    2,241
    Location:
    Russia atchoum!
    Well, well... where is my ash?
     
    ^ Top  
  22. Make America Great Again torogender: ⚧ Arcane

    toro
    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2009
    Parrots:
    5,565
    http://www.ign.com/articles/2017/09...dev-would-certainly-love-to-make-more-fallout

    The reason for Obsidian's media blitz: they were trying to get noticed by Bethesda.
     
    • Disagree Disagree x 5
    ^ Top  
  23. Lurker47gender: ⚧ Novice

    Lurker47
    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2017
    Parrots:
    96
    Location:
    Sleepyland
    What did he mean by this? :retarded:
     
    ^ Top  
  24. Make America Great Again torogender: ⚧ Arcane

    toro
    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2009
    Parrots:
    5,565
    http://store.steampowered.com/app/335670/LISA/
     
    ^ Top  
  25. Lurker47gender: ⚧ Novice

    Lurker47
    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2017
    Parrots:
    96
    Location:
    Sleepyland
    Yes, I know but that post doesn't make much sense to me. Unless it was just some kind of joke and I'm being retarded.
     
    ^ Top  

(buying stuff via the above buttons helps us pay the hosting bills, thanks!)