Tacticular Cancer: We'll have your balls

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Discussion in 'The Gazebo' started by Minttunator, Nov 12, 2013.

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    Chess players are not supposed to have cute girlfriends. In fact, they are not supposed to have girlfriends at all.

    Leave Chess to computers.
     
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    Haven't played in forever, but I remember typically opening as a newbie with King's Gambit or Guioco Piano (or Ruy Lopez). I can't remember when but at some point I decided to use the Smith-Morra against Sicilian. Have a tendency to sacrifice everything for initiative and tempo lol.

    (Now imagine gambiting while playing drunk chess, where you take a shot for every piece you lose. Oh and add some kind of urge for a midgame tactical win)
     
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    Interesting. Seems kinda accurate. I tend(ed) go for solid positions so I have better venues to openings for attack. If I play for initiative/tempo it's for setting up a "ready" position rather than pushing hard for position (and I find aggressive positional play risky in terms of opening myself up I suppose). Typically for midgame victories (or a midgame victory in itself) so that's probably why positional strategy itself is not the aim. I do lean towards -some- unorthodox moves to stymie enemy plans/avenues of attack/etc rather than in a calculating/grinding manner. I'm positionally-oriented via "acute" actions rather than big-picture positioning I suppose.

    However I'm definitely more emotional than calm :raaage:
     
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    Playing a few games on redhotpawn to verify the recommended openings :p but it's helping me memorize/understand some openings.
     
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    Wasn't stockfish essentially running without its openings database?
    Obviously they rigged it a bit to make their wonder boy shine, but it's still pretty impressive as a machine learning effort.
    I also read it doesn't really play in a way a "human" would at all, whatever this means, this bit is also quite interesting.
     
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    https://github.com/CYHSM/chess-surprise-analysis

    Someone analyzed game 10 with SF, in which A0 made a positional sacrifice.

    blue = black (SF) is better
    red = white (A0) is better

    So, after the sacrifice, it took SF 13 more moves until it suddenly realized that its position was hopeless.
     
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    Wrong on 2 accounts. While in the actual match 28k pos vs. 70 mill. doesn't sound impressive, it neglects the absolute bastard 5064 TPU (tensor processing unit: specialized CPUs for neural network calcs, e.g. statistics climbing, monte-carlo-searches, etc.) horde doing the actual work before the match = training the neural networks. When the match was underway instead of having to calculate very far for many candidate moves, it could rely on "knowing" promising variations, wihout having to calculate far, because the actual calculating work was done before.
    Also during the match the program ran on TPUs which can efficiently do the tree climbing.
    What is new in this approach is the learning algorithm, and the available computing power to brutalize the problem.
    So in the end it resembles a famous saying by reti (I think), when he was asked about how many moves deep he was calculating: "One. The best."

    EDIT: TPUs are actually not unlike GPUs. They are optimized for quickly crunching through simple, low-precision operations, so are perfect for dealing with large masses of data being computed, which is the case in machine learning.
    Also see use of GPUs for bitcoin-mining.
     
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    Yeah that info was revealed later, there's a new article about it, the response of the stockfish team. In the article linked by me they made it sound as if that program ran on weaker hardware when this probably isn't even true, plus stockfish was limited to 1min per move which seems... weird.

    I know that Reti saying differently:
    How many moves do you calculate ahead? One more than my opponent.
     
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    I always find it interesting when all Chess knowledge is thrown overboard, and the Chess world with it's mostly just memorized strength begins to shake.

    A very nice example is the alleged "Short vs Fischer" which probably was Short vs "Some Grandmaster Troll with a Computer"

    Fischer's sequence 3. Kf7 4. Ke6 5. Kd6 6. Kc7 is simply hilarious, when you think that the opponent was the almost World Chess Champion Nigel Short, and that he lost the game :lol:



    If you want some of that, simply open b7-b6 https://www.amazon.com/Play-b6-Dynamic-Hypermodern-Opening/dp/1857444108 I also move my king nowadays on the second rank, whenever possible, and so far it always worked.
     
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    This is ofc pretty much BS, if you just analyze it for a bit. It's no wonder that AlphaZero's openings overlap with some of the most successfully employed by the human elite. And these hypermodern openings lead to slightly inferior for black in the best case. They tend to work if the opponent play stereotypical as they pose some unique problems and in blitz/rapid games.
     
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    But this seems to be the case. Chess is by a large part a game of memory, and it's hilarious when you start eg a King attack or move back your knights and the opponent has no countermove.
     
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    A human can make some troll moves in the beginning like in those supposed Fischer games and still easily win against any other human by switching to an engine.
     
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    Svidler is awesome

     
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    Guioco Piano was my shit.

    I kinda lost interest after they decided it was a good idea to play Blitz chess to decide the outcome of the world championship in case there was a draw. What utter garbage.
     
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