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I played this turd a couple months ago for something like 10 minutes when it was closed beta, and I just can't fucking believe that EA actually tarnished BioWare's "good" reputation by integrating Mythic Entertainment into it's label and produce this utter piece of shit. I can condone that it looks like utter shit, but it basically plays like Unreal Tournament meets WoW, only a lot worse than you could ever conceive.

Other studios would have been shut down asap were they presented with this abomination. But hey, once a buddy, always a buddy!

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I like it how EA just gave up on WAR instead of trying to go F2P (then again it's a piece of shit and would probably have failed there anyway).

The warhammer IP deserves far better.

It does? I always thought Warhammer was about the most generic and juvenile of IP's consisting of nothing more than ridiculous archetypical factions whose sole motivation was killing everything else.

A world of neverending war? Heh...

It's extremely overrated. Just looking at the timeline of the Old World's history is enough to give "do these guys know anything about anything" reactions.

faggots detected.

Only bitches don't like Warhammer.

Only idiots can ignore how retarded the settings are.

I don't get it. If the first incarnation utterly failed (pretty sure there's only one server left in the U.S.) why launch another one? Oh, never mind, I guess this is a DOTA clone.

*sniff, sniff, sniff* ....anyone smell odeur de girly-man?

For a second I thought TOR became free to play.

Haha, no way, man. That's not how it works with EA. Just look at Warhammer online, biggest flop of the century and they still charge a subscription.

They milk it so hard, they made this other game using assets from it.

Why can't SH understand the market doesn't need more mmorpg.

Warhammer is shit in every sense of the word.

Yeah, we call them fin- NO I CANT DO IT BRO I CANT INSULT AARNE EVEN THOUGH HE TOOK A PISS ON WARHAMMER FANTASY PLS HALP ME BRO

Anyway, I played both Warhammer games for six years... Then I quit playing 40k because the game itself was not satisfying at all and felt like popamole. Then I started to get really uncomfortable with the timeline in Warhammer Fantasy... And then I quit playing FaBa after they revealed the new edition which I utterly hated. And then I've taken a good long retrospective at the settings themselves and found them to be simplistic, hollow and moronic with the art direction as the sole saving grace. See, a big problem is that there are NO CHARACTERS in either world... Everyone is just a bland pile of stats with argely no emotional range, personality or motivation beyond "grrr kill enemies" and next to no arcs. The handful of exceptions have largely been killed off or made pointless by the fact absolute nothing of consequence has happened in the metaplot since 13th Black Crusade in 40k and Storm of Chaos in FaBa (which is largely retconned now). Similarly, there is absolutely nothing at stake, no ambitions or drives for anyone, it's all eternal static "there is only war." In fact, the only character with some kind of character to him was Vlad, who was by far the only nuanced bad guy in the story (though entirely redeemed by the fact that he's probably the only competent potential emperor in that country's retarded history) and the only GW character ever who wasn't deathly afraid of girl-cooties (Ghazdkull and Yarrick are intensily homosexual towards each other, so I guess that counts).

Besides which, both settings are populated by retards. At first it started when I noticed The Empire had been using the same fucking Steam Tanks for 250 years... This was already super-derpy, but the motherlode of derp was when I noticed the Empire has been using the same fucking firearms since the days of fucking Magnus, which was essentially the point of "I don't give a fuck anymore, this world is too retarded to exist", after which I noticed that GW writing staff operates under the impression that wars are based on "longer = more epic" which leads to retardation like everyone seemingly jacking off for thirty years without doing anything. Contrast this (keeping with tabletop wargames here, going outside of this would be unfair) with, say, Warmachine, where the huge war that's taking place in the steampunk fantasy world has gone on for 4 years... And that's only because of trench warfare preventing decisive victory for either Cygnar or Khador, and during that time several important sideshows like Menite flank invasion of Cygnar have been resolved, character development has taken place across the board (at least one character is entering his third "Epic" incarnation, which means story-progressed alternate version, next expansion). A lot more fleshed out, and of course the characters actually have character and motivations + stuff happening to them. Oh yea, and the Iron Kingdoms aren't using retardedly old weapons (some 'jack designs are a too old for believability if you ask yours truly).

Also the update model Privateer Press uses is way better than GW's and their gameplay is light years ahead of them, which is why I play Warmahordes now./derail

40k has it even worse than FaBa, because 40k also needs to bend things so its idiocy can function: The setting of 40k would cease the function the moment the world would not be 100% populated by idiot-cunts. Its ideas are stolen from other, more prestigious sources (where they were done better), there is sense of gravity to anything in the gameworld, and it goes out of its way to try and be as "macho" and "dark" as possible without understanding how to do it. For all the talk of disunity and separatism, it's never brought to bear and ultimately everything is governed by monolithic and simplistic stereotypes snarling at each other. There is no military action that makes any sense, as everyone has the worst. command. ever. all in the name of being EPIC and MAJESTIC. It's the perennial popamole and flash over substance setting, ultimate Michael Bay setting that has wiggled its way to nerd culture's heart.

tl;dr: Banal shit boring

All I care about is Tzeentch. Feel free to diss the rest of the crap.

WHFB and WH40K are good and interesting settings. Not terribly original, but very enjoyable. I don't know why people get so hot for plot advancement (I see it on /tg/ too), I just can't see the purpose of it for a tabletop wargame.

This game looks derp as fuck.

kc likes wh so enjoy your fanbase

Well, the problem for me is that both WHs are all flash and no substance as settings. And when they do try to add in substance, mega-derp ensues.

Yes that's true. It's probably part of what I like about it, the setting is quite superficial which allows your imagination to fill in the blanks. Game settings benefit from being a little ambiguous.

the fallacy that this game aptly displays is that MMORPG combat is utter shite. i see the game as a hommage to planetside and hypothetical-future-MMOs-that-won't-suck.

Too much ambiguity is also bad.

Personally, the thing to me is that logically neither setting makes any sense, like I explained.

And of course, because it's a tabletop wargame it needs dramatis personae to make the setting interesting... And even during the Horus Heresy most of them were one-note characters. This is what really drew me into Warmachine, since not only does it feature politics and a world that makes sense, but there's also a lot of character interaction and development in the metaplot, to such a degree and with competent writing that I don't miss custom characters at all (then again, last time I played 40k the drift was definately towards special characters). It's a lot more interesting when the characters aren't only macho types sneering without any connection to anyone, whereas in Warmachine there's a lot going on between the various characters, both due to interaction as part of their command chain but also on a more personal level. And of course, they do stuff now instead of in their backstory.

Yes, in the latest version of 40k you can take special characters all you like, infact they are often simply better options. In the old days you needed your opponents consent to play them, it was better. Personally, I don't think individual characters are that important to the overall plot, or to tabletop gaming plots. The most enjoyable short stories in 40k were not about known characters but about random soldiers.

I place a firm degree of separation between myself and licensed overpriced B-literature like vast majority of Black Library publications are (and I do point out that Abnett's comics are wayyyyy better than his BL stuff). Most of the stuff is like Harlequin fucking Romance, except aimed for a juvenile male audience. I guess a better comparison would be R. A. Salvatore and other DnD "literature" though.

And what matters to me is what comes with the setting in the actual gamebooks. Any subject material can be turned to solid gold in the hands of a skilled writer (and if GW wants, I'm available to write one hell of a deconstruction about the Emprah and spess muhrines that's sure to infuriate the fandom).