Bioware strikes back: Revenge of the shit

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He's celebrating by hosting a small gathering of friends and submitting them to a powerpoint slideshow of how his life is poorly designed and implemented, followed by a Q&A on his choice of throw pillows and how degenerate interior design breaks the living room comfort experience.

Happy birthday JES, you're really creepy but we love you anyway (mostly).

Wait, what. So pre-Kotor brainwashing, Revan was simply a brainwashed puppet of the Emperor. But because he had awesome Force Willpower, Revan subconsciously deludes himself into forgetting the Emperor.

So having high Willpower means you somehow develop a mental disorder. What?

Edit: Also, he mentioned Kreia might be Arren Kae... Who is Handmaiden's mother. Interesting...

No the Kreia/Arren Kae/Handmaiden's mother theory was a fan theory that had been circulating around that Chris Avellone kinda shrugged off with a statement like "can't comment, but nice catch". What that guy is saying is that Kreia's relationship to Revan is being shafted and we'll never know if she really was Arren Kae.

Also, Jesus someone must really hate Kreia. Retcon her beliefs into simply being corrupted by a Sith Artifact, retcon her relationship to Revan. Does she even exist at this stage?

^ Didn't the Fallout Bibles use the phrase to mean "Not intended, but very nice".

This thread is the worst Codex overreaction I have seen.

How dare you destroy the lore from a videogame made 7 years ago?!

So you're saying you weren't pissed off when Bethesda pissed all over Fallout 1 and 2? Games that are far older than Kotor2?

As far as defilement to the canon of the setting goes this is just as bad if not worse. Maybe you don't care for said setting, but the outrage is hardly an overreaction.

Don't we take issue with most works that do the same? How many times has Bethesda gotten discussions going by rewriting chunks of their lore?

So we should just be a-ok whenever someone does wrong? Go fuck a dog, or a sheep or a pakistani slave.

Star Wars material are contradicting each other all over the place, news at eleven~ Yawn~

They are overrated series with not much innate quality. Never like Star Wars.

SW KOTOR1 is a good game, mindyou. Not great, but good. Too easy sometimes, but that's okay. It's a good game *despite* being a SW fanfic sold to SW fanboy.

Twenty bucks says Atris didn't become the new Darth Traya either.

But still, Revan's forgetfulness is just mindbogglingly ridiculous.

Fallout/Star Wars is a bad comparison. It's more like what happens in longrunning superhero comic books when a new writer retcons a previous writer's work. Even then it doesn't matter, because the story still exists. It's not like anyone was ever going to revisit or build off of TSL anyway, deluded pipe dreams aside.

That's apophenia, the Kreia/Kae connection isn't. Having played TSL recently I thought they made it pretty damn obvious they were one and the same. It wasn't even subtle in the slightest.

Kreia: But that is my belief, since I knew Revan from long ago... as a master knows their apprentice.
Disciple: Revan had many masters. Zhar, Dorak, Master Kae before Kae left for the Wars...It is said that he returned to his first Master at the end of his training.
Sion: She seeks to train one as great as her first.

Of course some people delude themselves into thinking that not outright stating means there's room for ambiguity. No there isn't.

There is room for ambiguity, since I never saw any kind of connection just as most people didn't.

But yes, let's take a computer game, a bad one at that, seriously.

Best case scenerio is this never gets officially released after the negative reception, but doubtful.

I never cared so much about Fallout 3's defilement, because I never played Fallout 3, because I know Fallout 3 is Bethesda's own game that doesn't have to do anything with Fallout, and because it won't do anything to change the Fallout games.

Now, if you have to care about the defiling of the Fallout series, why not be consistent and take the anger out on Fallout 2 as well? Released only two years after Fallout, it totally destroys the Fallout franchise from top to bottom, by adding a revision of why the vaults existed and what happened to the supposedly extinct US government. But of course, the same reasons still apply - Fallout does not change, because of Fallout 2.

@Wyrmlord - Tim Cain wrote the story outline for Fallout 2, including the stuff about the vaults. ("I left before it was even a quarter of the way done, but I had written the basic story line and implemented a few of the programming changes before I left....there was sinister subplot about the real purpose of the vaults that I wish had been kept in Fallout 2") So I guess he was pulling a Drew there.

Most people aren't active readers, and never ask themselves the question "Why is the author telling me this?" I'd think an ultra-critical guy like yourself would have caught it but I guess you're just laser-focused on art and graphics.

Man, it's harder than you would think to be a critical reader when you're playing a video game. With a book or a movie, yeah, sure, I can dissect it within the first five minutes easily. But a video game distracts you by giving you the whole "I WANT MORE I WANT MORE NEED BECOME STRONGER MORE XP MORE MONEY BETTER STUFF YEAH!" thing.

Roguey, read closely.

He said he WISHED the real purpose he wrote had been kept. So the one he wrote was NOT kept. And probably replaced with another.

The backstory might have been kept though. What was not kept was a subplot involving the Vaults he had written for the game.

Fallout 2 was a bigger decline from Fallout 1 than Fallout 3 was from Fallout 2.

You forgot this:

Jilted Star Wars lover reporting in.

Premonitions and even their supposed danger sense was only ever used consistantly in the original triology. although in the phantom menace they kind of used it in the start... only to forget all about it.

I read a couple of books and other things and this premonition thing has only been used to drive the plot and seldom even that. and the jedi walk into traps unknownigly all the time.

In fact all use of "the force" and "jedi" outside the original triology is in my opinion either shit or uninteresting. In the original triology the force was something mysterious, interesting and cool. In everything else it is superpowers, a shitty plot device or lifeline for writer that wrote himself into a corner.

Worst part of a game I otherwise mostly liked. Also breaks one of the golden rules of roleplaying: "Never take the character from the player".

Personally, Matrix when he wakes up.

A few decent Star wars books were made. but overall most EU is shit and this will scrape the bottom of the barrel. We are talking about a book based upon a game based upon a movie. Just one step there and it is shit, two steps and it is exponentionally shit. Probably won't help when it is written by someone with no novel writing credit to his name.

Maybe it's not about how bad Fallout 2 was, as how great Fallout was.