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Bioshock is too complex. Help!

Discussion in 'General RPG Discussion' started by Vault Dweller, Apr 19, 2008.

  1. Vault Dwellergender: ⚧ Commissar, Red Star Studio Developer

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    You know why games suck today? Too many mechanics. They distract people from enjoying the next-generation graphics and ambiance. So, Gamasutra has cooked an article exploring this growing problem:

    http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/3 ... r_game.php

    WHAT A WASTE OF MECHANICS!

    Tyranny of choices!

    I can't believe this shit is real.

    That explains Fallout 3 design.

    Thinking of poor dumb bastards getting confused by teh inventory system brought a tear to my eye.

    It's actually scary that someone thinks that an inventory system is a "hardcore element". Have we reached the new dumbing down milestone?

    Edit: The comments:

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  2. Gragtgender: ⚧ Arcane Patron

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    Anyone care to send him the link to Dwarf Fortress or NetHack? According to these criterions, games like that must suck big time.

    Reading stuff like that isn't good for my paranoia, now I start to see everywhere plots of governments, backed by the fbi chineses, to turn people around the world into mindless drones little by little.
     
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  3. I'm With Her Kingstongender: ⚧ for prison Arcane

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    I don't think there are facepalms big enough in the universe for this.
     
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  4. fastpunkgender: ⚧ Arbiter

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    Bioshock is complex?! Boy, I wonder what would they say about System Shock 2? Inventory, degradable weapons, skills and powers, upgrades... ZOMG! My next-gen brain is going to explode!

    :lol: VD, this one was pure gold. Dibs! This quote is going in my sig. :P
     
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  5. Vault Dwellergender: ⚧ Commissar, Red Star Studio Developer

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  6. larpingdude14gender: ⚧ Scholar

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    lol. Super Mario Bros. 3 had an inventory system.
     
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  7. Dark Elfgender: ⚧ Erudite

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    The magic flutes also made it non-linear. It didn't have a traditional hp system and the various suits/costumes/mushrooms/flowers enabled several different modes of play while not restricting the player to belong to any particular class.

    I dub it the best RPG ever.
     
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  8. Raapysgender: ⚧ Arcane

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    Oh noes, choices with consequences!11111
     
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  9. Brother Nonegender: ⚧ Prestigious Gentleman inXile Entertainment Developer

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    Oh-hoh, I beg to differ.

    [​IMG]

    The Lord of All Creation facepalming for the win!
     
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  10. pkt-zer0gender: ⚧ Scholar

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    This is fucking genius.
    I can hardly wait for the games the future has in store for us. BioShock has little in the way of gameplay besides moving forward and roasting anyone and everyone, occasionally hacking a bot or a turret. The "Shooter 3.0" will just have you sitting in one place and emptying hundreds of magazines into the opposition advancing towards you in a straight line.

    Interesting. Let's count, then.

    That's still only FIVE, you fucks.

    "Mastering combat"? Square-square-square-square-square-square-TRIANGLE!
    Argh.

    Funny thing is that while I agree with the basic idea (putting everything and the kitchen sink into a game just because you can is bad), their examples for "excessive complexity" are utterly ridiculous.
     
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    How did they manage to fit so much stupid into one person?
     
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  12. GeneralSamovgender: ⚧ Erudite

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    Is this a ripoff of Rio de Janeiro's one? :)
     
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    Ask Todd Howard


    Sorry, as obvious as that one was, I just had to make it.
     
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  14. mountain haregender: ⚧ Scholar

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    There is good complexity, and bad complexity. Good complexity adds to the immersion and enjoyment of the game. Bad complexity just adds to the tedium and frustration.
     
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  15. Make America Great Again Lyric Suitegender: ⚧ Arcane

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    Care to post an example of a game with "bad" complexity?
     
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    Moo3?
     
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    Any legal system where you could be convicted for savagely murdering the perpetrator of this shit is flawed beyond repair.
     
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  18. mountain haregender: ⚧ Scholar

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    Off the top of my head, the Sorcery spell system in Ultima 8.

    Edit: Hidden and Dangerous 2's attempt to integrate strategic team AI was a total fuckup. Totally worthless complexity which killed my interest in the game.

    The concept that 'Sometimes additional features can detract from the enjoyment of the game instead of add to it.' is not that hard of a pill to swallow.
     
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  19. mountain haregender: ⚧ Scholar

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    The rapid degrading of weapons in System Shock 2 did detract slightly from my enjoyment of the game. Thankfully there is a patch for it.
     
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    Ugh, now i feel stupified after reading that. I seriously suspect them to deliberatly try and dumb down people, hell its easyer and more effective then making a complex game, aint it?
     
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    They should first do something about all those buttons found on gamepads nowadays. They boggle the mind.
     
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    i knew sonic is best played by just running, who needs to jump ffs.
     
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    Guess what, there's a Sonic game for Game Boy Advance made just for you!
     
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  25. Lord Chambersgender: ⚧ Arbiter

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    I tried reading the article because I thought people here were just reacting and not really thinking about the issues since it triggered some dumbing-down reflex, but for fucks sake, what a bunch of muddled bullshit.
     
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