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Fallout Autumn Leaves mod for Fallout: New Vegas

IHaveHugeNick

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Oh, well in that case that's the same as US law. It makes the contract voidable because it's not technically legally binding. I think it's more of the "can't be a slave" kind of law that I found goofy. It's just a weird concept. But so are labor laws in France and their permanent contract nonsense, so it's not surprising that overall EU laws are weird to me.

From what I understand, the brick-and-mortar consumer is protected fairly extensively in the US, and the watchdogs are very active, right? It's just the digital distribution that's been a bit of a Wild West.
 
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In that youtube Bethesdas are more typical Fallout robots that don't have any concept that the apocalypse happened and are playing out quotidian behavior.

They're meant to be pre-war people whose brains were implanted into cyborgs, but I guess Bethesda's writing style blurred the lines a bit.
 

Mustawd

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From what I understand, the brick-and-mortar consumer is protected fairly extensively in the US, and the watchdogs are very active, right?

There are more and more laws being passed, yes, but right now it's not nearly the same level as the EU. Even if laws tend to curb so-called "exploitative" products, like payday loans, it's not usually in a sweeping manner as "can't be a slave", and more of a practical limit on how much can be borrowed. Even that is a state by state basis. Some states limit payday loans to less than $500 and some have no limit.

And even some of the consumer protection laws tend not to have a lot of teeth, or at least how they were originally conceived. For example, consumer laws against banks have banned overdraft fees day after day after day. Instead, once you get overdraft fees, there is a 5 business day period before they can charge more fees. However, other fees are then created that don't fall under the law. So now the banks make the same amount of money, but the fees are less known because they are relatively new. IMO, this tends to be more hurtful than helpful, but I can't pretend that not having overdraft fees over and over and over on a daily basis is pretty helpful for a family living paycheck to paycheck.
 

Mozg

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I feel like a person that could genuinely mindlessly plagiarize AL (rather than maybe adapt a couple elements for his own level, aka not-plagiarism) wouldn't like AL enough to use it as his model.
 

ortucis

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Chateaubryan must feel proud of Bethesda ripping off his work.

It's not every day that makers of a hit shooters like Doom and Fallout, rip off your work.
 

Severian Silk

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Bethesda own a license to all mods created that they may use how they see fit.

If anyone here bothered to read the post you'd notice that they didn't just grab the esp file and throw it into fallout 4, conceptually, the two quests are very similar.

However, these two quest are also murder-mystery whodunnit quests, borrowing from a wide variety of tropes present within the genre, the characters & story are just the usual genre archetypes, so it's entirely possible two different people got the same idea from the same source.
All these characters the mod author points out are archetypes common throughout murder mystery stories, so again, this is more and more just looking like a case of two authors applying the same transformation.

Even if some inspiration were to be taken from this mod, the author seems to be totally fine with it:

Now, now, truth be said, I honestly thought Bethesda’s staff played Autumn Leaves, had a blast with it (I hope) took some things out of it and made their own thing for Far Harbor. And I seriously think this is perfectly okay. After all, Autumn Leaves’ inspirations are countless (Asimov’s, Cluedo, Planescape : Torment, Arcanum, older Fallouts, etc.) and being influenced is a natural part of the writing process.

TL;DR: It's a fucking generic murder mystery quest.


Short story: I had a study colleague once who was a bit on the autist side. He was a really strange fellow and pretty isolated, but i thought he was okay to talk to and he knew his shit about the subject, so i was always friendly towards him. He also was quite entertaining because he flirted with every single female colleague and his flirting skills were like 0,0000000, as was his success rate. Anyways, i needed a script for an exam and he was known for making the best. I asked him if i could copy it and he said yes he will bring it to the university. The next day he "forgot to bring it" though, but he said he lived only a few blocks from the university so i could walk with him home and he would give me the script there. I was a bit worried about the embarassement of becoming a male rape victim, but i desperately needed the script, so i followed him. When we entered his flat, the script was neatly lieing on his living room table, conveniently placed right next to another script. He was like "oh, i forgot this here, its a novel im currently writing", and i suddently understood why he made me go to his place. He wanted me to "stumble upon his novel", and he wanted to make it look like coincidence rather than him running around showing it. Well, he told me to go over a few pages and out of goodwill i read some of it. It was mostly some vague super cool secret agent style badass conversation between two guys, not well written, and i couldnt make much out of it, so i had to ask him: Uhm cool stuff, what is the plot about? Then he told me:

It was about a professional hitman, a lonely guy who doesnt talk really much and who lives in a flat whos only companion is a cactus. The second protagonist is a little girl who's family was murdered by a corrupt cop who wanted to cover up evidence. She then walks into this hitman guy and he trains her to become a hitman herself. First hes reluctant because he doesnt like company, but he warms up as he becomes sort of like a father figure for her, but she also develops a romantic interest in him which he has to refuse because shes way too young. He then helps her take revenge for her family on that corrupt cop.

I was looking at him like this:hmmm:. I then asked him if he knew about the movie "Leon the professional" and told him about the plot of the movie. He absolutely definitely assured me that he never heard of this movie and that all similarities are pure coincidence.

Point of my story: If there are that many similarities and somebody claims its pure coincidence, then somebody is bullshitting somebody. And we all know who likes to bullshit people and defend Bethesda.

Hello Todd!
Secret twist: You were the autist in the story, right?
 

Bliblablubb

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lawyer at university course(potato) said that he doesnt read those software agreements you always need to accept when installing anything because he knows how well is he protected by EU and Polish laws. So if there were anything harmful it would've been overruled.
Buyers need to be aware of their rights and restrictions at time of purchase, since those EULAs only pop up later when you are already installing, they are not binding and you can just ignore them.
So unless the construction kit had you accept an EULA before being allowed to download it, the same would apply.

That's only valid for the EU tho.

But most of the time companies just have EULAs translated without checking for legal problems anyway, I remember reading about some old Windows version's EULA trying to exclude a severe form of negligence, basically meaning "even if we were drunk and drugged we are not responsible for any harm", yeah...
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I feel ashamed for not coming across Autumn Leaves until this controversy kicked off. I'm obligated to give it a try, now. Thank fuck I never played Fagout 4 so I can go in fresh for the best experience.
 

uaciaut

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Don't visit the Bethesda subforum very often, glad i made an exception this time - the trailer made me think i was on FNV's steam mage and not on the nexusmods one. Alas i won't be playing the game for a while yet but thanks to you i'll probably give it a go in a near future. Good job!
 

Sigourn

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People here do realize that Plagiarism is not a fucking law. If Bethesda had stolen the author's code, dialogue, art (whatever was custom), audio or even level layouts it would be possible plagiarism.

noun: plagiarism; plural noun: plagiarisms
  1. the practice of taking someone else's work or ideas and passing them off as one's own.
In other words: Bethesda's using someone's intellectual property and passing it off as their own.
 

Wayward Son

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And in fact, plagiarism, at least in New York is a law. My engineering teacher almost got kicked out of college for a pretty abstract plagiarism. As well, people have been fined for it by courts of law.
 

DosBuster

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They'd be fined for copyright infringement then, plagiarism is a very obvious case in terms of academia where stealing an author's words results in punishment, however, in the case of this it's more blurry than that.

If we look at precedent, I can only find some in the US Courts for a similar case, that being O'Rourke v. RKO Radio Pictures in 1942. A screenwriter alleged that a movie studio had stolen parts of his unproduced screenplay for their own film, the court noted that both shared similar details such as prison riots, escapes, love affairs etc. However, in the end, they ruled against the screenwriter as they decided it was entirely possible for the same creative inspiration to strike two separate people.
 

cruelio

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Sorry to necrobump but I can't figure out this quest. What am I supposed to find in the classroom for "Do you not see the sign"?
 

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