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Artifact - a Valve card game based on DotA

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Valve announced a new game Artifact, a digital card game based on DotA:



Artifact is a card game based on Dota 2 involving three boards and a selection of characters from Valve’s flagship game, though other details remain light. The game was announced just before the final match of Day 2 of TI7 by event host Sean “Day9” Plott, who gave a vague description of the game that seemed to indicate it would involve building barracks, creeps, and lanes (after suggesting the announcement was not related to Dota 2). Comparisons to Blizzard’s Hearthstone seem inevitable.

https://www.polygon.com/2017/8/8/16116786/valve-artifact-dota-2-card-game

Brad Muir (director of Massive Chalice) is on board:

 

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https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/6si491/valves_new_dota_2_card_game_artifact/dlcx6b7/

Random info from Day9 on stream:
  • There are three game boards that represent the lanes
  • You control 5 heroes, just like DotA
  • You can equip item cards on to the Heroes that you buy with gold
  • There are creeps that spawn every turn
  • You can play creature cards
  • Some cards are cast on the lane and have persistent effects on that lane
  • Each Hero has abilities like their DotA counterparts ("You can cast track on a Hero as Bounty Hunter and get extra Gold")
Not too much info revealed, just a teaser. He also ended it by saying he wouldn't talk about it again for the rest of the tournament (which ends Saturday), so if there's more info coming it's not from the TI stream.
 

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Hope there are going to be female ghostbuster cards.
 

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Mildly intrigued, as long as it's an actual TCG where you can easily trade cards with other players via the Steam Market.

The 4 differently coloured 'shards' in the teaser immediately made me think of colours in MTG.
 

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  • There was a presentation on Artifact at Valve, on March the 8th (today).

  • Source 2 coming to mobile (iOS & Android). (Delayed release Mid-2019)

  • Game scheduled for 2018, still no release date.

  • $1 million dollar tournament first quarter of 2019 (called it).

  • Not free-to-play.
    • you will be able to purchase cards via the marketplace, and apparently “bargain hunting” will be a key element for strategic deck building

    • The idea is to reward player investment

    • the game will emphasize buying, selling, and trading cards through the Steam marketplace.

    • There will be game modes based on packs, with examples including play modes like "draft" and "sealed deck."
  • Profits will go into tournaments, like compendiums.
  • Artifact will feature a marketplace and workshop

  • Automated tournaments for all skill levels.

  • Creator of MtG working on Artifact. (Is this the Ice Frog formula?)

  • No single-player campaign.

  • Tutorial through AI apparently. (OpenAI is onto us.)

  • Will contain future Dota 2 heroes.

  • Shopping phase.

  • Confirmed replay/stats available.

  • Journalists are still at Valve, currently playing the game, first screenshots coming in, can expect better stuff to come out later.

  • Screenshots : #1 #2 #3 #1 #2 #3 #4 https://www.pcgamesn.com/artifact/artifact-screenshots-board-heroes-items-spells

  • Items can affect towers. There is siege damage. Items can have active abilities.

  • We have a poster! #1 #2 #3 #4

  • 280 cards, 44 heroes.
  • Summons can have active abilities.

  • today's presentation by Game Newell suggests it would be difficult to allow opportunities for mods here “beyond illustrators.”
  • Newell said "Artifact is the first of several games that are going to be coming from us. So that's sort of good news. Hooray! Valve's going to start shipping games again."

Holy fuck that art is fucking good

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This UI has to change before release. Card artworks are very disappointing, they're very inconsistent, and overall don't look very good.
I can see they decided to tease lore and items through it, that's a very good strategy to get dota players to get interested, at least a bit.
edit : actually the legion commander looks cool. Maybe I don't see well enough and they're actually in the same sketchy style. Could look very good if it's the case.
edit 2 : ok now that i see thesentinel's edit, that confirms what I suspected. Cool handdrawn style.
edit 3 : actually, no, this is indeed fucking inconsistent, that luna feels completely out of place compared to the meepo. Stay tuned for edit 4 in which I might finally come to a definitive conclusion.
 
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TCG players are like cocaine addicts. You could price the game at $60 they'd still buy it.

Thankfully I'm not really into cocaine, so I'll check out the beta and ignore it forever after unless it's like $5.
 
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Piercing damage (ie different types of damage), positioning and limited equipment. Also cards are actually cards and not random fucking shiny tokens. Could it be incline ?
Or maybe piercing damage is just a basic armor bypass mechanic.

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https://www.pcgamer.com/artifact-guide/

Everything you need to know about Valve's Artifact: "The whole point is to steer away from pay-to-win"
We go hands on with Artifact and hear from Gabe and Garfield about trading on Steam, randomness, and why it's not F2P.

After two games of Artifact I'm left with a splitting headache and an exhausted grin. Before tonight, all we really knew about Valve's Dota 2-themed card game was that it would use three lanes and that the announcement received a famously rough reception at The International last year. After tonight, it feels like I have more information than I can fit into my skull, but I'm certain Artifact is going to be the new card game hotness when it goes into full release later this year.

The easiest way I can describe playing it is to imagine managing three games of Hearthstone at once, each of which can affect the other in multiple ways which are changing from moment to moment. Or, to put it another way, if conventional card games are like chess (which I know they aren't), then Artifact is the 3D version which Spock plays on the Enterprise. Which, I guess is exactly what I should have expected from Valve.

Arriving at its plush new Seattle office, one of the things I most want to know is what kind of talent Valve has hired to work on Artifact. The answer comes almost immediately as part of Gabe Newell's introductory presentation: they're working with Richard Garfield, the legendary creator of Magic: The Gathering, and undisputed OG of trading card games. Newell compares Garfield to IceFrog, the secretive overmind behind Dota 2, saying that the chance to work with their kind of talent is like having "the shiniest saw or pickaxe imaginable… the things I can build with this will be amazing." Garfield later tells me that he came aboard in 2014, having spent years wrestling with how to make an electronic game that solved the problems Magic has.

Both Newell and Garfield are at pains to point out that the idea of making a killer card game came before—and matters more—than the idea that it should be set in the Dota 2 universe. If either Team Fortress 2 or Half-Life had offered a better fit, then that's the world that would have been chosen. It's also worth noting that Artifact will not be a subordinate little sibling to Dota 2. Many of the heroes in the current card set are existing Dota 2 champions, but others are original creations. And as the game expands, Valve expects some characters will begin life in Artifact before later appearing in Dota 2. There's a ton more context to talk about, but you want to know how it plays, so let me lay out some basics as clearly as I can. Be warned, here be bullet points:
  • Each deck contains 40 cards and includes 5 heroes (which is the same as a Dota 2 team). There will be 280+ cards in the base game. There are 44 heroes. You can include three copies of each card in your deck.
  • Your cards and heroes are selected from four possible colours: Red, Green, Black, and Blue. As per Magic, each colour has its own personality which themes what its cards do accordingly.
  • At the beginning of the game your first three heroes will be deployed evenly into the three lanes (which are essentially game boards), along with some randomly spawned melee creeps. After each round, two more creeps will spawn in random lanes on each players' side.
  • Each lane contains a tower which has 40 health which you must protect. Lose two towers and the game is over. Once a tower is destroyed, it's replaced by the Ancient, which has 80 health. Destroy an Ancient and you also win the game.
  • Heroes that are killed aren't gone for good, they just have to sit out an entire round, after which you can choose which lane to redeploy them in. (An exception here is a green hero who has a 'rapid deployment' ability and can be sent back into the fray in the next round.)
  • Each lane also has its own Mana pool, which begins at 3 and increases by 1 with each turn—though you can also use Ramp cards to accelerate your Mana pool. Hey, it's a Richard Garfield game.
  • In order to play a card, you must have a hero of the corresponding colour placed in the lane where you're spending the mana. However, Mana spent in one lane can be used to cast certain cards in other lanes.
  • Each time you play a card of any sort the initiative passes to your opponent. Once you've both finished taking it in turns to play a cards in a particular lane, combat occurs with heroes and creeps attacking whatever is opposite them. If they aren't facing another unit, they will attack the opposing tower.
  • After combat, the action then switches to the next lane. The idea of player initiative is carried over to the next round, which ends when you're both done in the third and final lane.
  • As enemy cards are destroyed you will accrue gold. Certain cards can also affect gold generation, such as black's 'Day at the Track' which doubles your gold total. Gold is spent on equipment between rounds during the Shopping Phase.
  • Only heroes can use equipment, and each hero has three slots: weapon, armor, and accessory. If you want to use a different weapon it will overwrite the current one.
  • Equipment varies from cheap simple buffs like a cloak which gives your hero +1 health through to powerful, expensive stuff like the Apotheosis Dagger which adds +8 attack, +4 siege (tower damage that can't be blocked), and condemns (ie kills) any enemy it hits.
  • Importantly, equipment on characters is persistent. So buffed heroes will keep coming back with their upgraded stats and abilities.
Still following? As I said at the top, there's a deluge of information to take in, and at first I felt like I was floundering. Handily, each of us had a member of the Valve brain trust sat with us to help discuss plays and explain mechanics, some of which were familiar, others less so. In my first game, I used an aggressive Black-Red deck, buffed my heroes early and hard, and was able to crush my slower Blue-Green opponent by going all-in on two lanes before his big bomb cards like a symmetric board clear called, accurately, Annihilation came online.

For the second match we switched decks, and the game was much more drawn out and nail biting. This time I was the one having to stall across multiple lanes, trying to buy time for my powerhouse spells. Probably my single favourite play involved switching the position of two heroes, triggering a ping effect from Zeus which cleared one creep and also applied an adjacency buff with my other hero. That move drastically altered the combat math in my favour, turning a lane that had looked lost into one I was now dominant in. I'd like to pretend I spotted this masterstroke on my own, but Valve's Kyle Davis has to take some credit. Those of you at home won't be so lucky to have him on hand, and make no mistake this is a ferociously, unabashedly complex take on the genre.

Before we sat down to play, Newell said that it was possible to have 100 units in a lane and I assumed he was exaggerating. He was not. You can indeed jam as many units into a lane as you can afford. They will disappear out of view off to the side, but you can slide back and forth with the mouse wheel to see them. You can also double click to zoom out and view all three lanes simultaneously, which proves essential for keeping a clear sense of the overall game state. While we're talking about scale, I should also mention that there's no limit on the amount of cards your hand can hold. Each round you will draw two new cards, in addition to whatever equipment you've splurged on in the shop, so it rarely feels like you're stuck with nothing to do.

Fighting on three fronts
There's a lot going on here. If, like me, you're coming into Artifact from the world of Hearthstone, then it's going to feel like plunging headfirst into a lake of liquid nitrogen. A niggling part of me wonders if the fact that Valve is staffed entirely by geniuses might mean it risks overestimating the appetite for quite this much complexity. I don't think Blizzard keeps Hearthstone games so simple and (mostly) short just because that's the easiest thing to do—it genuinely believes that's what time-challenged players looking to have fun want. But then Artifact probably isn't for 'most players' in the same way that Dota 2's insane skill cap isn't. Newell told us he's put 10,000 hours into Dota 2. "I'm still convincing myself—although, some people around here may disagree—that I'm becoming a better player."

That kind of ceiling is what Valve seems to want for Artifact. And let's face it, that amount of depth, bracing though it may be, is also going to excite a lot of people—particularly those who grew up on Magic or who've grown tired of the linear strategies in other digital card games that can make playing the same matchups feel so tiresome. Crucially, Artifact isn't a collectible card game at all—it's a trading card game. This is arguably the biggest deal about Artifact: you will be able to swap and sell individual cards on the Steam Market, whereas trading is something Hearthstone has always been staunchly against.

The importance of trading
The sense from Valve is threefold. 1) Trading will take the sting out of hoping to pull the card you want from a pack, but only getting filler. 2) Each player's collection will retain value in the same way that binders of Magic cards do in real life. In contrast, if I stopped playing Hearthstone tomorrow, I couldn't sell my cards. Hell, Blizzard's small print means I can't even leave the account to someone in my will. 3) Valve knows how to do trading. It already has the tech to make it safe and secure, and it's learned a lot of lessons from CS:GO and Dota 2.

I wonder, though, if there's a risk that a volatile market could bring its own problems. After all, CS:GO has some crazy expensive skins. Valve's Brandon Reinhart isn't worried. "If a card has got a [top pro's] signature on it, and there's only one of those in existence, and that player won a major tournament, then it might have some value, and that is fine. But as far as the unsigned normal versions of that card, over the years we've developed a lot of tools in order to make sure that we're keeping those prices in a reasonable range." Reinhart also referred to a point Newell made about the power level of cards not being correlated to their rarity, and noted that common cards are going to cost "pennies".

Here's exactly what Newell had to say about the relationship between card rarity and power: "From a really high level perspective, we really want to stay away from pay-to-win. We think that that actually has a pernicious impact on the design of the game and the evolution of the community over time… There are plenty of very common cards that are going to be super powerful. The whole point is to steer away from pay-to-win and that kind of approach. We always want to reward investment. You always want to feel like, as a player, that the more time you spend on it, you're getting better and you're enjoying it more. We've all played plenty of games where you put in the hundred hours and you really are done."

On the subject of cost, Artifact is also resolutely not going to be free-to-play. Newell explains why: "If time is free, or an account is free, or cards are free, then anything that has a mathematical relationship to those things ends up becoming devalued over time, whether it's the player's time and you just make people grind for thousands of hours for minor, trivial improvements, or the asset values of the cards, or whatever. That's a consequence. So you don't want to create that flood of free stuff that destroys the economy and the value of people's time." Lest all this be seen as an assault on Hearthstone, it shouldn't be. Newell recognises Blizzard's giant is the current benchmark, and says "they do a lot of smart things". But it's also clear Valve is heading in a very different direction with Artifact.

What Valve isn't doing is talking numbers, but from speaking to staff at the event it sounds like there will be some sort of entry edition that will get you a bunch of the cards and other content, much as Overwatch asks you to pay for the base game to get in the door. Beyond that, you can buy and crack packs as normal, which Newell says Valve is determined to make a spectatable event. Whatever money you do pump into packs will be partly used to fund major tournaments in much the same way that sales of The Compendium and Battle Pass inflate The International's prize pool each year. Speaking of esports, Valve is already lining up a major with a $1m prize pool.

How easy Artifact will be to parse for spectators remains to be seen. After my playtest we were treated to a tournament between some well known card game pros who I'm forbidden to name. Without being familiar with the meta of Valve's closed beta test, it was hard to follow the ebb and flow without detailed explanations from the developers watching. But their excitement was infectious. The final series featured some crazy games in which the designers were shouting wildly divergent lines of plays at each other, only for the pro to pick something else entirely. It's that potential for heated strategic debate that I think suggests Artifact could have scope as an esport. If it does happen, my expectation is that viewing in client will be the way to go, so Valve can expose all sorts of cool stats about each deck. Something Hearthstone fans have been begging for since forever.

The good kind of random?
Of course, any mention of esports and card games will have some readers eye-rolling in aisles. And look, I get it. I lived through Hearthstone's Yogg-Saron meta. I asked Garfield about the role RNG has to play in Artifact, and his response was much as expected: Yes there's some randomness in the game, because hey it's a card game and chance can create exciting moments, but he said the kind of RNG effects which Artifact uses are the ones that can be controlled and mitigated by skilled players. In his view, it's the good kind of RNG. Which he would say, but bear in mind he is literally Richard Garfield, and Magic doesn't tend to get dinged over high-roll randomness in anything like the same way Hearthstone does.

Also bear in mind I'm basing my observations off a sample size of two games, but none of the cards I encountered seemed egregious in terms of RNG. The most notable one was a spell called Eclipse, which fires a volley of 3 damage bolts, the number of which depends on how many rounds the blue hero card Luna has spent on board. Pretty random, then, but also the kind of randomness you can direct by trying to create a board state that's likely to give you the best odds of landing the bolts where you want. The other kind of randomness comes from where the creeps end up spawning each round, and the items you get offered during each Shopping Phase. But brilliant though the Blink Dagger is (it gives a hero +2 attack and lets you teleport to another lane), in terms of impact not being offered a Blink Dagger isn't going to be what costs you the game. Your ability to pilot your chosen heroes and cards across three lanes, pivoting strategies when needed, is going to be the biggest determinant of whether you win or lose.

Impish design
There's so much more to say, but I feel like I've somewhat emptied my skull. I do need to note that it looks fabulous, thanks to the Source 2 engine. Every single piece of art in the game is new, and the style is bold and consistent—as evidenced when you right click a card to blow it up to screen height size. Likewise the spot FX and animations for big spells are already impressive. I especially liked Zeus' thunder spell, which sees the camera swing down and swoop across all three lanes as lightning blasts heroes and creeps. The most popular piece of visual design, though, is certain to be the cheeky imps which sit on each players' deck, scampering between lanes with you, and gesticulating wildly as the turn timer gets close to running down. I imagine Valve will add a sizeable pile to its Smaug-like fortune when it starts selling alternate versions of those.

That said, I didn't leave Valve with any sense that Artifact is the cash grab I've seen some predict it would be. Far from it. At the outset Newell said Valve wants Artifact to do for card games what Half-Life 2 did for singleplayer action games. That's an amazing claim to make. Outrageous, almost. Unless you're Valve and you actually did make Half-Life 2 and now you're making a digital card game with Richard freaking Garfield. This is just the first swing of that shiny pickaxe. There's plenty to clean up, especially in terms of the some of the UI parsability, but I can't wait to see and play more of Artifact. My headache has already subsided, but the grin hasn't.
 

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Not surprising that title. Valve was the company that popularized cosmetic-only cash shops. Before them shops in multiplayer games were full of p2w shit.
 

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Give me something with the complexity of mtg or just fuck off. We have enough braindead idiotic rng centric card games on the market as it is now.

Also what the fuck does dota oriented mean, mobas have stories now or what?
 
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Also what the fuck does dota oriented mean, mobas have stories now or what?
Well as they said, they wanted to make a card game first, dota came second as it is useful for thematic purposes. It has a shit ton of stories here and there, and some surprisingly cool bits of lore delivered with special cosmetic stuff called arcanas (basically expensive cosmetics which modify abilities animations, voice lines, character model etc).

An example of this is the Manifold Paradox for Phantom Assassin, debunked by a guy named SirActionSlacks on his yt channel, which gives a bridge between this character and another (Spectre) implying that the latter is a distorted, cursed version of the former who accepted an assassination contract that was purposefully impossible to honor. These stories are pretty cool because of how subtle their delivery is.

But the lore of dota2 remains a fucking messy conglomerate of stories that loosely connect between each other. It's legitimate when you want to remain free to come up with whatever character background you like when designing a new hero, but it leads to a completely inconsistent universe, with a bunch of gods, extraplanar people, titans from the dawn of time, pure manifestations of physical concepts etc etc.
So it's dota-oriented for the sole purpose of capitalizing on the fanbase + being able to pick among these numerous stories to design spells etc.
On a side note, it's also fortunate since dota 2 has a very good art direction when it comes to visuals and character models.
 
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Grew utterly disillusioned with Gwent and finally quit it around a month ago. Haven't found a decent alternative, but think Artifact sounds promising and will definitely give it a go.

Not a fan of the DOTA setting, though. Seems to have a "childish high fantasy" feel to it, like Hearthstone.

My body craves an ELEX card game. :M
 

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