A pretty dumb thread you probably shouldn't read

[Lacrymas]

I'm sure there were a lot of people who couldn't resist equipping that unidentified girdle from the ogre in BG1.

 

[Sizzle]

I hope one day some dev would make a game that will turn a male PC into a female, that way you can have the best of both worlds, start as a man and stare at a female and you might even be able to whore yourself up and explore how being a female feels like.

pretty sure there's dozens of hentai games like that already

In Divinity 2: Ego Draconis, you can even change your character's gender when respecing. I think Original Sin 1 and 2 also had that option.

 

[Bocian]

Why would I recreate the real world in a fantasy setting? Or why would I follow the established fantasy roles and cliches?

Fighting in the front line is not within any woman's competence. Never was, and never will be. And it's neither about recreating real world nor cliches, but common sense. Weak-T men and deluded women that push for females in combat roles, either in fantastical or real-life scenarios, in their vanity focus on the "glorious" part of the warfare, trying to prove the unprovable and set the entire world's natural order on its head. If it was not about looking cool parading in armor and with swords pretending to be "as competent as men", but actually what the war was and is about - delivering and receiving gruesome wounds, constant tiredness and fear, insufferable living conditions, let alone risk of mass rapings, we wouldn't see any nerds and wannabe feminists putting their precious cute girls there.
You're not recreating real world until you portray combat like it truly is. What you and others like you are doing, instead, is creating your fantasy of empowered women that makes no sense - because it's coming from unsatiated quasi-sexual thirst.

 

[Lacrymas]

You can say that to my warrior women when they are smashing giant spiders and demons.

 

[Cael]

Why would I recreate the real world in a fantasy setting? Or why would I follow the established fantasy roles and cliches?

Fighting in the front line is not within any woman's competence. Never was, and never will be. And it's neither about recreating real world nor cliches, but common sense. Weak-T men and deluded women that push for females in combat roles, either in fantastical or real-life scenarios, in their vanity focus on the "glorious" part of the warfare, trying to prove the unprovable and set the entire world's natural order on its head. If it was not about looking cool parading in armor and with swords pretending to be "as competent as men", but actually what the war was and is about - delivering and receiving gruesome wounds, constant tiredness and fear, insufferable living conditions, let alone risk of mass rapings, we wouldn't see any nerds and wannabe feminists putting their precious cute girls there.
You're not recreating real world until you portray combat like it truly is. What you and others like you are doing, instead, is creating your fantasy of empowered women that makes no sense - because it's coming from unsatiated quasi-sexual thirst.

All assholes who demand women be given frontline roles where they risk capture are either closet rapists who love to see women tortured and raped but are too cowardly to do that themselves or traitors to western civilisation. I can think of no other reason for them to demand that women be put in such a position.

 

[HoboForEternity]

So, the essence of SJWism. "The world generally tends to work in a certain way, therefore I am going to insistently demand the opposite in games." And then you wonder why some people are fed up with the "stronk gurlz beat everyone, hurr durr" trope stuffed in their faces at every turn

stereotype =/= averages. Stereotype may be misleading since the representative can be a stand-out or loud minority inside a population. Averages however, is alot more acccurate in term of generalizing a whole population.

 

[HoboForEternity]

I hope one day some dev would make a game that will turn a male PC into a female, that way you can have the best of both worlds, start as a man and stare at a female and you might even be able to whore yourself up and explore how being a female feels like.

there are lots of hentai and porn games out there

 

[AwesomeButton]

i think most of the "differences" happens by whoring yourself

Should be banned for children!

BTW, in Fallout 2 you can get various discounts and shortcut sidequests by sleeping with shop vendors and quest NPCs. I can't remember specific instances though. And I've never done it myself, thought it was too denigrating.

I'm thinking, if you want realism there should be some downsides to that. Even today pornstars can't make it into politics etc. Back then, probably no man would marry them, or maybe fantasy isn't middle ages? Whatever but there are diseases and pregnancy too!

One design solution is some holy root, that women have to make a potion from to avoid that... yeah won't fly with SJWs

Gameplay downsides could have been interesting. Even simple NPC barks changing in FO2 to signify that the player is a known whore, would have been very effective for a player who is more into the game and would pay attention to such stuff.

On the other hand, I was thinkning, that you could come up with a setting-related justification. In a post-nuclear apocalypse world, it's not impossible that the social stigma against extra-marital sex would have been much lighter, given the breakdown of society and of marriage as a government- and church-sanctioned institution. With the dramatic decrease of population and rising mortality, you could expect that even such acts would be viewed less harshly. With the species coming so much closer to extinction, breeding would have been viewed as good in itself, with the circumstances becoming less important. Moral values would have been different.

 

[Maxie]

On the other hand, I was thinkning, that you could come up with a setting-related justification. In a post-nuclear apocalypse world, it's not impossible that the social stigma against extra-marital sex would have been much lighter, given the breakdown of society and of marriage as a government- and church-sanctioned institution. With the dramatic decrease of population and rising mortality, you could expect that even such acts would be viewed less harshly. With the species coming so much closer to extinction, breeding would have been viewed as good in itself, with the circumstances becoming less important. Moral values would have been different.

You can very well look at the problem from a different angle, which has been explored in the post-apo genre a lot - in a post-nuclear apocalypse world, the few remaining communities are so closely knit together and so hell-bent on retaining the shreds of social order and decency, that whoring is perceived harsher than it used to be in the happier times, breeding excessively is always a move against the group's pool of resources, etc

 

[AwesomeButton]

On the other hand, I was thinkning, that you could come up with a setting-related justification. In a post-nuclear apocalypse world, it's not impossible that the social stigma against extra-marital sex would have been much lighter, given the breakdown of society and of marriage as a government- and church-sanctioned institution. With the dramatic decrease of population and rising mortality, you could expect that even such acts would be viewed less harshly. With the species coming so much closer to extinction, breeding would have been viewed as good in itself, with the circumstances becoming less important. Moral values would have been different.

You can very well look at the problem from a different angle, which has been explored in the post-apo genre a lot - in a post-nuclear apocalypse world, the few remaining communities are so closely knit together and so hell-bent on retaining the shreds of social order and decency, that whoring is perceived harsher than it used to be in the happier times, breeding excessively is always a move against the group's pool of resources, etc

The smaller the community, the stronger the sanctions in general. But also - the more difficult it becomes to find a spouse within the community, and you have to look to the neighboring village...

 

[Generic-Giant-Spider]

You can say that to my warrior women when they are smashing giant spiders and demons.

 

[santino27]

After walking the line for a solid 10+ pages, this thread finally went full Codex again.

 

[HeatEXTEND]

All assholes who demand women be given frontline roles where they risk capture are either closet rapists who love to see women tortured and raped but are too cowardly to do that themselves or traitors to western civilisation. I can think of no other reason for them to demand that women be put in such a position.

In an all-or-nothing-us-vs-them surely the women should fight.

 

[M. AQVILA]

All assholes who demand women be given frontline roles where they risk capture are either closet rapists who love to see women tortured and raped but are too cowardly to do that themselves or traitors to western civilisation. I can think of no other reason for them to demand that women be put in such a position.

In an all-or-nothing-us-vs-them surely the women should fight.

To protect themselves and the children? Sure.

 

[HoboForEternity]

In modern combat there is little reason why women cant be killer drone operator or a sniper.medieval warfare, and until the turn of the 20th century it makes sense they would get annihilated in melee combat. Bows are pretty heavy too to use.

With modern guns at least, the gap of strength is reduced in importance.

Sure, they probably can carry less load and stuff lower stamina in general, but alot of positions can filled, and compensated by techncial training

 

[Bocian]

Why the fuck is this thread split again? Jesus Christ, this is so pissing off.

 

[Eyestabber]

I only have female chars in party based rpgs where you can make several chars. Gender roles are as follows:

- Frontline fighter, cleric (if holy warrior archetype), mage: male
- Thief/rogue, cleric (if healbot support mage archetype), bard, druid, mage (if there is already a male mage): female

Pretty sure some feminibot would get triggered at the idea of gender roles in fantasy rpgs. Until they realize what few wahmen play rpg tend to conform to the roles set above up to a T.

 

[stony3k]

You're looking at women in military from a very western perspective. In Indian/Hindu mythology (and even history) for an example, women are often portrayed as warriors (See Kali and Durga). As do many other cultures to be honest.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

You're looking at women in military from a very western perspective. In Indian/Hindu mythology (and even history) for an example, women are often portrayed as warriors (See Kali and Durga). As do many other cultures to be honest.

maybe there's a reason they were colonized by western countries

 

[santino27]

In party-based CRPGs, I make sure all of my party is female because I know someone on the Codex will be incensed by that fact and spend the rest of the day raging.

 

[ERYFKRAD]

Calling Kali a warrior is kinda stretching it though.

 

[Xeon]

In IWD I created FMT male and 5 female bards that acted as cheerleaders. It was very immersive.

 

[King Crispy]

I've never assumed the role of a female in any SP or party-based RPG that features a main character. I have, however, voluntarily and willfully created female characters or accepted them into the ranks of my party in many RPGs of the past. Hell, I even sometimes imagine who in the party would "hook up" with whom and might even go 50% male 50% female to make sure everyone's happy.

Let's face it: these games are just modern-day equivalents of playing dolls and dress-up. We all had G.I. Joes and Transformers and whatever back in the day, right?

But I will say this: if you preferred Barbie over G.I. Joe back then you're p. fuckin' gay. Same for those who play a girl in an RPG.

 

[Serus]

I only have female chars in party based rpgs where you can make several chars. Gender roles are as follows:

- Frontline fighter, cleric (if holy warrior archetype), mage: male
- Thief/rogue, cleric (if healbot support mage archetype), bard, druid, mage (if there is already a male mage): female

Pretty sure some feminibot would get triggered at the idea of gender roles in fantasy rpgs. Until they realize what few wahmen play rpg tend to conform to the roles set above up to a T.

Similar here. I usually put not more than 1 or 2 women in a party I create and they are usually healers, thiefs/rogues or magic types. An exception for Wizardry where valkyrie was a cool frontline class and female-only at the same time.

 

[eggdogg]

It depends on the game as some games almost require a specific gender. In KOTOR2 its always male because of handmaiden. Mass effect femshep has way better voice acting. Bethesda games are more fun to watch with a female. Stuff like that.