What are the most :obviously: non-rpg games?

[v1rus]

Well, the title says it all. Which games, and why, does Codex perceive as masterpieces, outside its forte?

There are couple ones that are well-known Codex favorites, like Thief or even Stalker, but lets get them all out in the open.
also, the first bro to post PS:Т/Deus Ex/w/e gets a cookie and an original joke award

 

[JarlFrank]

Every game is an RPG game.

 

[Mustawd]

Grand Theft Auto San Andreas
Half life
DOOM
NCAA Football 2004 (was revolutionary)
Super Mario 3
NFL 2K2
Metal Gear Solid 2
Devil May Cry
Gran Turismo 3
Street Fighter 2 Alpha
Tekken 3
Resident Evil 2

 

[octavius]

Master of Orion.
Because not only is it brilliantly designed, like Civ and Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri, but it's intentionally unbalanced and unpredictable, making it IMO much more replayable than most strategy games. Civ and SMAC quickly becomes formulaic, with little real difference between the factions and between each game you play. With MoO you never know beforehand how the game will turn out (except that the Sakkras will be annoying assholes). There may be no tech available to build good bombs for example, which will require quite different tactics than otherwise.

 

[Taka-Haradin puolipeikko]

Bubble Bobble.

 

[Astral Rag]

Lula 3D

 

[Serus]

Well, the title says it all. Which games, and why, does Codex perceive as masterpieces, outside its forte?

There are couple ones that are well-known Codex favorites, like Thief or even Stalker, but lets get them all out in the open.
also, the first bro to post PS:Т/Deus Ex/w/e gets a cookie and an original joke award

PS:T
I want my cookie and my award now!

Master of Magic is a masterpiece desptite its flaws and i believe is highly regarded on the Codex
Master of Orion - is a very good choice, Master of Orion 2 is highly regarded as well.

 

[†††]

Big Rigs

 

[DraQ]

Strategies and abstract puzzle games. Neither have the notion of character.

 

[agentorange]

"Stalker"

I don't think this is an obvious non-RPG game. STALKER games have a main quest (in the case of SoC and CoP there can even be some divergences in how this main plot resolves), side quests, items and gear that effectively take the place of leveling, exploration, faction choices if one considers that an RPG like element, and so on. The side quests in CoP in particular are better designed than quests in most "real" RPGs.

 

[Zed Duke of Banville]

Zork (1980, adventure)
Seven Cities of Gold (1984, strategy/tactics)
Sid Meier's Pirates! (1987, action)
Populous (1989, strategy/tactics) / Populous II (1991, strategy/tactics)
Civilization (1989, strategy/tactics) / Civilization II (1996, strategy/tactics)
Sim City (1989, city-building) / Sim City 2000 (1993, city-building)
Golden Axe: Revenge of Death-Adder (1992, beat-'em-up)
Master of Orion (1993, strategy/tactics)
Heroes of Might & Magic II (1996, strategy/tactics)
Thief: The Dark Project (1998, first-person stealth)
Jagged Alliance 2 (1999, strategy/tactics)
Thief 2: The Metal Age (2000, first-person stealth)

Spoiler

Deus Ex (2000, first-person stealth/shooter)

 

[Jacob]

Well, the title says it all.

Not really. Reading the title I thought it was about games that cannot be confused as an RPG, until I tried typing in and found out that it generates the emoji.

 

[Taka-Haradin puolipeikko]

Sid Meier's Pirates! (1987, action)

I've seen press reviews of Sid Meier's Pirates! that listed it as RPG.

 

[Cuckoo]

Master of Magic.

Spoiler

It's an RPG, of course.

 

[Baron Dupek]

Never understood why STALKERs got RPG label, sure there are some stats to take into account (weight limit, resistanses etc.) but there are no stats like STR, VIT or AGI to improve or you die in the north.
Guns progress? Play few hours to get AN94 and you got something powerful enought to beat the game. Accurate gun with 2-bullets burst, grenade launcher and scope, game over.

 

[Serus]

Zork (1980, adventure)
Seven Cities of Gold (1984, strategy/tactics)
Sid Meier's Pirates! (1987, action)
Populous (1989, strategy/tactics) / Populous II (1991, strategy/tactics)
Civilization (1989, strategy/tactics) / Civilization II (1996, strategy/tactics)
Sim City (1989, city-building) / Sim City 2000 (1993, city-building)
Golden Axe: Revenge of Death-Adder (1992, beat-'em-up)
Master of Orion (1993, strategy/tactics)
Heroes of Might & Magic II (1996, strategy/tactics)
Thief: The Dark Project (1998, first-person stealth)
Jagged Alliance 2 (1999, strategy/tactics)
Thief 2: The Metal Age (2000, first-person stealth)

Spoiler

Deus Ex (2000, first-person stealth/shooter)

First Golden Axe (1989) was imo better.

also

Jagged Alliance 2 (1999, strategy/tactics)

The thead says "non-rpg games" so inclusion of JA2 is


Good list otherwise.

 

[Jacob]

Guns progress? Play few hours to get AN94 and you got something powerful enought to beat the game. Accurate gun with 2-bullets burst, grenade launcher and scope, game over.

This is a balance issue, not a lack of RPG elements, though

 

[Tacgnol]

Never understood why STALKERs got RPG label, sure there are some stats to take into account (weight limit, resistanses etc.) but there are no stats like STR, VIT or AGI to improve or you die in the north.
Guns progress? Play few hours to get AN94 and you got something powerful enought to beat the game. Accurate gun with 2-bullets burst, grenade launcher and scope, game over.

There is pretty heavy gear based progression in all of them. Especially in CS and COP with the upgrade system.

They have "RPG elements" at the minimum.

 

[laclongquan]

Warzone 2100 because customized tank builds are great idea and so is the battlefield of tens of tanks firing at each other.

 

[ItsChon]

I'll try to list some original shit that I doubt people will agree with.

Super Smash Bros 64
Call of Duty: MW2 and Black Ops
Rise of Nations
Minecraft
ATV: Quad Power Racing 2

Edit:

HoMM 2&3

 

[Baron Dupek]

Never understood why STALKERs got RPG label, sure there are some stats to take into account (weight limit, resistanses etc.) but there are no stats like STR, VIT or AGI to improve or you die in the north.
Guns progress? Play few hours to get AN94 and you got something powerful enought to beat the game. Accurate gun with 2-bullets burst, grenade launcher and scope, game over.

There is pretty heavy gear based progression in all of them. Especially in CS and COP with the upgrade system.

They have "RPG elements" at the minimum.

But all first person shooters have gear progression so?

 

[Tacgnol]

Never understood why STALKERs got RPG label, sure there are some stats to take into account (weight limit, resistanses etc.) but there are no stats like STR, VIT or AGI to improve or you die in the north.
Guns progress? Play few hours to get AN94 and you got something powerful enought to beat the game. Accurate gun with 2-bullets burst, grenade launcher and scope, game over.

There is pretty heavy gear based progression in all of them. Especially in CS and COP with the upgrade system.

They have "RPG elements" at the minimum.

But all first person shooters have gear progression so?

Not to the extent of the STALKER series, and besides progression isn't the only RPG element the series has.

Edit: This discussion is getting dangerously close to the age old "What is an RPG?" question.

 

[theSavant]

Every game is an RPG game.

I unfortunately agree. It's true. Every game is an RPG. Even Puzzle and Strategy games. You always slip into the role of a person or "commander" who controls something. And by controlling that you adapt your tactics and skills, which is "character progression". Even if you don't get skill points in the game, you get the skill in *reality*, by the way you continuously andjust and play. You upgrade yourself.

I think we need completely new definitions for various types of games.

Spoiler

 

[ERYFKRAD]

Severance: Blade of Darkness

 

[Rahdulan]

Lula 3D

At least play the original, goddammit.