1eyedking Planescape: Torment doesn't have good writing (Part 2)

[Safav Hamon]

Summary of the responses in the last thread:

• Yes the writing style is very amateurish

• Yes it tries way too hard to be deep and philosophical with little success

• Yes it's extremely verbose and requires several editing passes to trim down redundancy

• Yes it come across as pretentious and preachy at times

• You are an idiot for saying any of this means it has bad writing

New Arguments

• No, the characters aren't intelligent. They are blatant in how they subvert tropes. Their personalities have little depth beyond their basic attributes, and their psuedo-philosophical beliefs never adequately supported.

• No, the themes are not great. They are never expanded beyond a surface level, and are therefore very shallow. One of the trashiest parts of the writing is how Planescape keeps ramming its half-assed themes down your throat.

I will proudly wear the 'dumbfuck' tag if it means exposing this communities fanboyism and bad taste. Stop celebrating garbage writing in 'games' (if you can even call planescape that).

 

[Humanity has risen!]

Most overrated game ever. It is praised so much because people were semi-suicidal angsty teens or young adults on their quarter life crisis when they played it and it resonated with them in spite of its mediocrity, as was the case when Avellone himself wrote it.

There is nothing that Chris Avellone made that was ever good. It is completely beyond me why this guy and his pretentious drivel are idolized so much. As soon as I recognize his pretentious prose I immediately turn the game off.

 

[Safav Hamon]

There is nothing that Chris Avellone made that was ever good. It is completely beyond me why this guy and his pretentious drivel are idolized so much. As soon as I recognize his pretentious prose I immediately turn the game off.

In his defense, I like New Reno and most of Alpha Protocol. It's his attempts at mature writing that suck.

 

[Snorkack]

'Sup mfkndggrfll

 

[King Crispy]

I don't have moderator power here in GRPG but starting a new thread discussing the exact same topic isn't going to be tolerated. Tag and/or possible ban incoming.

 

[Safav Hamon]

I never created the original thread, so I hope the moderators will make an exception for this one.

 

[King Crispy]

I've submitted a merge request.

 

[Lyric Suite]

New fags are new fagging too much me thinks.

 

[meanwhileInPoland]

just bann this fagg ffs he is neither subtle nor entertaining. at least put some effort in your shitty trolling threads, its codex afterall

 

[Safav Hamon]

I've submitted a merge request.

I wanted to start my own topic on the issue. Not one that Infinitron split from another thread.

 

[King Crispy]

You're either going to do things here the way we tell you to do things or you're not going to do things here at all.

 

[Safav Hamon]

Cool. You do you.

Now how about some serious responses to the arguments that I've brought up in this thread?

 

[JarlFrank]

Broke: shitposting in an already existing thread
Woke: making your own shitposting thread that lasts a dozen pages
Bespoke: making a Part II of your own shitposting thread to rub it in

 

[ScrotumBroth]

There seems to be a rising trend of bagging great RPGs lately, too many threads popping like mushrooms. And it'd be tolerable if it was genuine, but some of these dingleberries were previously polishing PoE nutsack...

 

[Safav Hamon]

I criticized PoE's writing for the same reason I did Planescape's.

Both are examples of amateur videogame writers trying to be deep and intelligent, while failing miserably in the process.

 

[Bocian]

Say no to nutjobs like me on the 'Dex.

 

[ScrotumBroth]

Both are examples of amateur videogame writers trying to be deep and intelligent, while failing miserably in the process.

Yes, it's clear you'd like to put them in the same basket.

 

[FeelTheRads]

The amount of retarded newfag revisionists is quite appalling.

Do they come from some site the codex butthurt or what? Otherwise, what is the point behind this "omg i have to change the mind of these people, they are so wrong!" retardation?

 

[ItsChon]

The only thing more hilarious than Safov making a new thread is Crispy threatening to ban him for it rofl. There are countless threads discussing the same shit that are entirely unnecessary; threatening a ban just seems like a case of being ass hurt to me. Just tag him and be done ffs.

That being said, the op definitely suffers from fetal alcohol syndrome.

 

[Safav Hamon]

Yes, it's clear you'd like to put them in the same basket.

Because they are. The only difference is that one is an old game and the other is a new game, so there's a double standard.

The reality is, they both suck for the same reasons. They both try to sound deep, and come off as shallow. They both try to sound intelligent, and come off as pretentious.

 

[King Crispy]

The only thing more hilarious than Safov making a new thread is Crispy threatening to ban him for it rofl.

THAT'S THE JOKE.

 

[Darth Canoli]

Just stop rating his posts, he's a rating whore, stop and he'll disappear along with his alts.

 

[evdk]

When HHR agrees with you it's time to reevaluate your life choices, friend.

 

[Jacob]

To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Planescape: Torment. The humour is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical psychics most of the jokes will go over a typical viewer's head. There's also TNO's nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into his characterisation- his personal philosophy draws heavily from Narodnaya Volya literature, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these jokes, to realise that they're not just funny- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike PS:T truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the humour in TNO's existential catchphrase "Sounds like Oblivion. Why would anyone want that?," which itself is a cryptic reference to Bethesda's American epic The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion. I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Chris Avellone's genius wit unfolds itself on their monitor screens. What fools.. how I pity them.

And yes, by the way, i DO have a Tattoo of Annah. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes only- and even then they have to demonstrate that they're within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand. Nothin personnel kid

 

[evdk]

To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Planescape: Torment. The humour is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical psychics most of the jokes will go over a typical viewer's head. There's also TNO's nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into his characterisation- his personal philosophy draws heavily from Narodnaya Volya literature, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these jokes, to realise that they're not just funny- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike PS:T truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the humour in TNO's existential catchphrase "Sounds like Oblivion. Why would anyone want that?," which itself is a cryptic reference to Turgenev's Russian epic Fathers and Sons. I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Dan Harmon's genius wit unfolds itself on their television screens. What fools.. how I pity them.

And yes, by the way, i DO have a Tattoo of Annah. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes only- and even then they have to demonstrate that they're within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand. Nothin personnel kid

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