Heresy: There is no reason to expect a 2D-isometric engine again. But now we do have one...

[Dexter]

So much bullshit. So little reality.

What? How did at least 2 people get to dig up this old thread anyway?

Edit: I'm rather sure all the information is accurate, I don't know what you are taking issue with. "isometric" is only when a=b=c

 

[Severian Silk]

What? How did at least 2 people get to dig up this old thread anyway?

Shoutbox.

 

[likaq]

i agree wholeheartedly with the op.

 

[shihonage]

i agree wholeheartedly with the op.

You're disowned.

 

[croitav]

Posting in a majestic thread.
I bet all witcher / dos / wasteland 2 / fanboys agree with op.

 

[Lurker47]

1) A 3D engine is a 2D but better: A 3D engine is of course automatically a 2D engine with more projections possible allowing you to navigate through a lot of perspectives and giving you more tactical choices. To ask for less is either nostalgia goggles, sheeple-tude or plain retardedness.

Or maybe just cost-effective. Most games don't need 3dpd shit.

 

[Ranarama]

Using a 3d engine to do 2d is a good way to get a whole bunch of pixel aliasing issues. Much like when you use vector fonts - you need a whole bunch of hinting to make it not look like complete garbage.

 

[tritosine2k]

Using a 3d engine to do 2d is a good way to get a whole bunch of pixel aliasing issues. Much like when you use vector fonts - you need a whole bunch of hinting to make it not look like complete garbage.

Actually the opposite is true , because these new fangled temporal anti aliasing methods would FINALLY work as intended thanks to an orthogonal camera, given time to resolve subpixel detail for a long while , with >4x supersampling kinda result .

 

[Ranarama]

Actually the opposite is true , because these new fangled temporal anti aliasing methods would FINALLY work as intended thanks to an orthogonal camera, given time to resolve subpixel detail for a long while , with >4x supersampling kinda result .

You misunderstand what pixel hinting does. The aim is to avoid blur entirely, not have more accurate blur.

 

[tritosine2k]

You misunderstand what pixel hinting does. The aim is to avoid blur entirely, not have more accurate blur.

"Non blur" Non bandlimited 2D has a name, pixel art,

games with non-pseudo aesthetics have anti aliasing either way, and the correct term there is subpixel precision , not "accurate blur" , and 2D (pre rendered 3D) or true 3D makes no difference in this respect.

Except orthogonal 3D is an edge case because subpixel precision (too) can be resolved exactly over time on geometry because of zero delta between frames.

Plus just about any operation on sprites needs band limiting anyway.

 

[tritosine2k]

Volumetric lights & rotating orthographic camera
vs.
sharp edges

-huge f'ing decline indeed /s

 

[Ranarama]

It would appear my case has been made for me.

 

[holla_cabezas_de_mierda]

Volumetric lights & rotating orthographic camera
vs.
sharp edges

-huge f'ing decline indeed /s

I admit I am stupid as fuck, but is the above supposed to be proof that a 3D engine can be way more visually awesomer than a 2d one?

 

[tritosine2k]

The point is , sharp edges constitute pseudo aesthetics nowadays ( blocky , pixel art)

not a real reason to choose 2D over 3D .

Besides in my world hybrids do exist, and I get that sharpness is related solely to sample rate , it's not engine specific.

 

[tritosine2k]

 

[Pyke]

'cos 2D is betterer.

 

[Egosphere]

Oh boy.



Please dear retard, that beautifully crafted background has nothing whatsoever to do with the engine. It has to do with talented artists. A talented artist can USE A 3D ENGINE TO MAKE A BETTER AND MORE BEAUTIFUL BACKGROUND.

I'm on the fence when it comes to 2d vs 3d, but that one statement is 100% false. 2d gives you more scope for a still background than 3d, since you have complete control and can paint each individual pixel if you so desire, whilst 3d is invariably dependent on its physics engine. There's a reason 3d renders go through hours of touch-ups and post processing in photoshop before they're good enough to become illustrations.

 

[Chippy]

The Infinity Engine is infinate because it's art.

 

[Raapys]

The only technical difference between a 3D engine and a 2D engine is projection. Turn the camera in a 3D engine to orthographic mode and you have a 2D engine right there. Place the map background texture on a huge cube and done.

What you guys are talking about is orthographic camera with isometric textures vs isometric camera with a 3D mesh world.