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mfkndggrfll

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back when Pillars of Eternity was launching and people were saying that it was more than a cash grab at our nostalgia, that it would revive a dead genre. People were saying that even if it wasnt good, its success would encourage other devs to start making good cRPGs again.

Well....? What have we gotten since? Its been 3 years since PoE's release and I havent seen a single good new RPG. What are indie devs waiting for? Where is the revival of the genre we've been waiting for?

It seems like the only thing the industry learned from PoE is that theres money to be made in crafting cheap cRPGs (i.e. TToN, PoE 2, and all the upcoming flops like Greedfall/Black Geyser)
 

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Wasteland 2 was the first really, and it's created a market. A market is always a collection of opportunities and titles that vary in quality. Before WL2 we had nothing. Now we have many titles out and coming which may or may not be good depending on subjective taste. That's a fuck lot to be thankful for considering where RPGs were before that.
 

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Wasteland 2 was the first really, and it's created a market. A market is always a collection of opportunities and titles that vary in quality. Before WL2 we had nothing. Now we have many titles out and coming which may or may not be good depending on subjective taste. That's a fuck lot to be thankful for considering where RPGs were before that.

I thought WL2 was a flop in the same league as PoE/TToN, at least the GoG reviews werent that good IIRC.
 

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Not entirely in the same league. WL2 has some shortcomings of its own but despite everything at least it was mechanically sound. It has a system which rewards you and it works. PoE is an okay entry-level RPG but its doomed by an absolutely disastreous ruleset. TToN is a discgrace.
 

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and all the upcoming flops like Greedfall/Black Geyser

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People aren't going to buy cRPGs just because they are cRPGs. This is why companies like Bethesda survive: they are very good at making the type of games their audience wants. On the other hand, companies like Obsidian and inXile are awful at delivering.

Some audiences, like those who watch porn, are more easily satisfied. The cRPG audience happens to be very demanding, and rightly so.
 

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Steve gets a Kidney but I don't even get a tag.
It's stating the obvious, but after 25 years or so of gaming - I now realise that I may never experience another game like PST, Fallout 1&2, or the BG series. I can enjoy games like Shadow of War, Arkham Knight series, AC, Witcher, Syndicate (original), Warhammer and Total War, etc, but the top few percent of the aformentioned games are a unique type because of the writing and type of games they represent.

In a sick way, it almost made sense for Feargus Urquhart to want to censor Chris Avellone - because he set the standard so high. In an alternate reality (if Chris Avellone didn't exist) maybe I would see Amber Scott belonging to the top percentage game writer's, and I would have been content with SOD.
...Weak troilling attempt, but you get the idea.

I'll still give some of the newer RPG's a chance (except POE) but I won't preorder anything again or help Kickstart it for more than $25 or so. I might reserve ÂŁ50+ for Inxile if W3 is fantastic.
 

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Also it seems like people are raving about Disco Elysium, the game that claims to be a cRPG, but to me it looks more like a high budget point&click game than a cRPG. I bet it'll be amazing, but it wont scratch my itch for a good cRPG.
 

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back when Pillars of Eternity was launching and people were saying that it was more than a cash grab at our nostalgia, that it would revive a dead genre. People were saying that even if it wasnt good, its success would encourage other devs to start making good cRPGs again.

Well....? What have we gotten since? Its been 3 years since PoE's release and I havent seen a single good new RPG. What are indie devs waiting for? Where is the revival of the genre we've been waiting for?
Many of us never expected anything from Pillars of Eternity and thus weren't surprised when it failed to have an influence on the genre. However, there have been a number of worthwhile CRPGs released in the last three years that aren't similar to PoE; for example, Age of Decadence, Underrail, The Witcher III, Dragon's Dogma (originally a 2012 console release), Salt & Sanctuary, Stranger of Sword City, The Warlock of Firetop Mountain, Nier: Automata, Kingdom Come: Deliverance, and above all Grimoire: Heralds of the Winged Exemplar.

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Wasteland 2 was the first really, and it's created a market. A market is always a collection of opportunities and titles that vary in quality. Before WL2 we had nothing. Now we have many titles out and coming which may or may not be good depending on subjective taste. That's a fuck lot to be thankful for considering where RPGs were before that.
WL2 created an entire genre called 'nostalgic disappointments'
 

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for example, Age of Decadence, Underrail, The Witcher III, Dragon's Dogma (originally a 2012 console release), Salt & Sanctuary, Stranger of Sword City, The Warlock of Firetop Mountain, Nier: Automata, Kingdom Come: Deliverance, and above all Grimoire: Heralds of the Winged Exemplar.
I hate every single one of those games except Underrail.
 

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