Lionheart: Legacy of the Crusader

[rusty_shackleford]

What's the consensus on it?

 

[Micormic]

Dude there's been plenty of threads on this turd lol, you can easily search for it and find old peoples opinions on it.



Basically the first city in the game is ok which is a couple hours of interesting gameplay. The rest of the game is a really shitty diablo style game for whatever reason. I think there were mixed signals on what interplay wanted.



The game also became extremely hard and not in a good way so I never finished it.

 

[PrettyDeadman]

I really liked this one but never finished it.

 

[laclongquan]

After Barcelona we lose interest fast.

 

[Feyd Rautha]

It uses Special but with realtime and paus. You control one character. So it's kind of like Bethesdas Fallouts.

I really like the settting though. It would be cool if someone could buy it from Interplay and do something with it.

e: But this thread should be locked. There are already thousands of Lionheart topics. One of the first threads I ever created back in 2009 was about Lionheart for example.

 

[Sacred82]

the development was botched.


You could almost say... sabotaged.

 

[RK47]

Not recommended. Finished twice. Just bad all round.

 

[Outlander]

Not recommended. Finished twice. Just bad all round.

Now now, that just seems like you rushed to judgement.

Finish it 5 more times and re-evaluate.

 

[Tito Anic]

It has S.P.E.C.I.A.L system(Fallout), it has diplomatic ending(like Fallout). Loot system is broken - reload till you get good item(=Fun). Second town, Montaillou - last bastion of Catharism, is good too. (In)famous Chris Avellone worked on it(according to wiki). It was pretty fun when i played it back when.

 

[Shadenuat]

It has some cool fun things and xp systems and character building which only matters in about 1/3 of the game. It's somewhat fun though so you should try it if you never played it.

 

[Dreed]

I finished this recently, and I have a Codex lore question for oldfags or Infinitron about the credits: anybody knows why flip flopper Rex and Saint_Proverbius are thanked in there?

Bonus Roguey question: do you know what was specially designed by Avellone and Sawyer in this not very game?

Edit: I completely forgot there was an interview about this https://rpgcodex.net/content.php?id=10505

 

[Roguey]

Bonus Roguey question: do you know what was specially designed by Avellone and Sawyer in this not very game?

My involvement was minimal. I proposed some ideas for conflicts, factions, and a few other things. I don't think much (if any) of what I proposed was used other than minor Cathar involvement. I think the end result was a confused game because it didn't ever seem to fully embrace being in a historical setting.

 

[Bricker]

I cant play it.

 

[Greek Anime God]

Playing this gem right now and let me tell you something shocking, it's a better game than the first two Fallout games. The setting is much more compelling, the combat is fast so when it throws more on you it doesn't slow down to an ant crawl, the art is high resolution enough to allow for details to show.

 

[Greek Anime God]

What do you mean "no", Infinitron? It uses the same systems as Fallout only with everything that annoyed me about that game cut out. If you start a fight in the city you don't have to wait for each citizen to slowly walk across the screen. I know the Mad Max thing wasn't played out when Fallout released but at this point I think it is, the alt history setting makes a huge difference and feels fresh even now. Playing this game is a revelation just like Icewind Dale was, ID was Baldur's Gate without the cringe and the fat removed. There was reactivity and quests, but it was more to the point, sending you to dungeons and encounters instead of offering filler open world content like BG1 or TL;DR stories like in BG2. Lionheart does the same to Fallout, dunking the nuclear apocalypse in the toilet after giving it an atomic wedgie.

 

[Infinitron]

OK, keep playing!

 

[Greek Anime God]

OK, keep playing!

By the sound of it I shouldn't, how can this game possibly turn bad? Okay, so I'm still in Barcelona, but even if it in old school RPG fashion turned more combat oriented later on I doubt it would ruin the game for me.

 

[vazha]

OK, keep playing!

how can this game possibly turn bad? Okay, so I'm still in Barcelona, b.

Very easily. As soon as you leave Barcelona, its a downhill slope. Second town, as already mentioned, is quite well done too, but not up to Barcelona's standards. The first 2 hours of the game are superb, the less is said about the rest the better.

rusty_shackleford Also, are you above using the search button good man? There are like dozens of threads on this one and probably about 500 posts strewn about in various threads, mostly of "missed chances & flawed gems" variety.

 

[wishbonetail]

SPECIAL system do not go well with diablo like trash combat. It just doesn't.

 

[Kabas]

I don't think there is anything inherently wrong with SPECIAL + real-time combat.
Lionheart issues lies in overabundance of trash combat and weird balance. By weird balance i mean you can get teleported to a space island with an enemy you need to kite for 10 minutes and as a reward you will get 3xp which is vastly less than what one slow moving bee you can safely shoot from a distance can give you.

 

[0sacred]

SPECIAL system do not go well with diablo like trash combat. It just doesn't.

They botched the transition from turn based to real time, apart from that there's no problem that exists outside the heads of Fallout fanboys.

This one is a worthy candidate for the remake industry. If some things are fixed (actually usable henchmen, better timed combat, itemization), they could even leave the second half of the game intact and I could put up with that.

 

[KeighnMcDeath]

So many damn Lionheart threads they should just be combined. Anyway, at first I was looking for the oldest thread (yeah not doing that again else it is ban land for my old skull-brained self). But then, I wondered "Lionheart? Wth?" If I recall it used to be a boardgame but I could be mistaken. I found a not terribly old review besides the ones here. I mean codex can spring from insightful to full retard so reviews you take with a pinch of salt.


I seem to own it on GOG (not surprising considering my 2021 game hoarding) and reviews mirror as said on codex "beginning ok... then decline!

It still has a $9.99 pricetag.

Boardgamegeek Lionheart

 

[laclongquan]

My old impression is a confused design between Crusading/Christianity theme with Holy Roman Empire theme, then conflict with the idea to do Ottoman Empire.

All three are very niche and not that marketable~ So a combined desire of all three is a mess, as expected

Anyway, getting out of Barcelona just make me losing interest right there and then. Think of Fallout New Vegas with only the Vegas area (freeside, westside, southern at McCarran, and the Strip).

 

[Marat]

I loved the setting of this game, it continues to fascinate me with its potential to this day.

 

[luj1]

Prestigious obscure game