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Eternity Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire Pre-DLC Thread [GO TO NEW THREAD]

Ruzen

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My score for the game: Last time Obsidian gets a dollar from me for their crowdfunding.

Fun aspects: char creation, visuals, exploration.

Boring: Forced "native" language, almost every npc are empty, story wraps up so fast, at least the first game had mystery "new world" idea could have used differenty.
 

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I should have waited a few months before playing it, because PotD is way too easy. My 1st death was 12 hours in. 30 hours later and I only have to rest if I stumble into traps otherwise I auto attack everything to death.

Play upscale crital path + everthing else.
 

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Regarding world setting; is there a WORLD map where I can see where the Deadfire archipelago is located?
I just can't make up my mind about the PoE world. Why is Deadfire a tropical setting? It's located south of the Eastern Reach (temperate similar to central Europe) which should mean it's getting colder, not warmer regarding the Eora planet. Farther North of the Eastern Reach is the warmer weather (Ixamitl Plains and the Rauatai Gulf north of it with tropical climate).
There seems to be no real consistency about the world.

Fan extrapolation:
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Thanks, but that really doen't make sense either. The Deadfire Archipelago is meant to be located south of the the Eastern Reach which wiuld be hardly fitting on that map. But even if you take the location as right, it could only fit if the game takes place in the couple of north islands from the archipelago (except the game has different climate zones included with colder ones in the south). And even than, the Rauatai Gulf is supposed to be of tropical climate. They should really try to bring some consistency in the world or properly explain it.
 

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Is it worth playing PoE1 before playing this? Honestly I got a decent bit through the first but I found it pretty boring and dropped it. How deeply connected is the story to the first?
I'd say start with Deadfire, it's the better RPG. You can always play PoE as a "prequel" later.

How's the level of content padding in this? The number of trash mobs in PoE1 was a big turnoff.
 

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Thanks, but that really doen't make sense either. The Deadfire Archipelago is meant to be lochated south of the the Eastern Reach which wiuld be hardly fitting on that map.

Josh Sawyer said before the game was released that it extends along the southeastern edge of the Eastern Reach, so not fully to the south. People did think what you said was true before he said that, though. Earlier version of the map:

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Thanks, but that really doen't make sense either. The Deadfire Archipelago is meant to be lochated south of the the Eastern Reach which wiuld be hardly fitting on that map. But even if you take the location as right, it could only fit if the game takes place in the couple of north islands from the archipelago (except the game has different climate zones included with colder one in the south). And even than, the Rauatai Gulf is supposed to be of tropical climate. They should really try to bring some consistency in the world or properly explain it.
There is an explanation.
It's because of nanomachines SOULZ.
 

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Regarding world setting; is there a WORLD map where I can see where the Deadfire archipelago is located?
I just can't make up my mind about the PoE world. Why is Deadfire a tropical setting? It's located south of the Eastern Reach (temperate similar to central Europe) which should mean it's getting colder, not warmer regarding the Eora planet. Farther North of the Eastern Reach is the warmer weather (Ixamitl Plains and the Rauatai Gulf north of it with tropical climate).
There seems to be no real consistency about the world.

From posts here I'm getting the feeling people are expecting the sequel to be set in a warmer climate, but there is evidence to the contrary, that's at least if Josh isn't planning to subvert his own lore.

From the strategy guide:
The Eastern Reach is a region in the southern hemisphere, named so by Aedyran colonists. It is the part of Eora in which Pillars of Eternity takes place, an area maybe a little smaller than real-world Spain.

We don't know the size of the planet or its distance from the Sun, but if it's comparable to Earth's, as you go south, it should be quickly getting colder, not warmer.

When I was at school, they used to teach us that for a picture to be called a map, it has to have two things - a scale, and a sign which way is North. PoE's official map does not have a scale. Sloppy as usual.

I made a selection of the Eastern Reach, slapped it on top of a Spain map where the scale had been noted, and resized and turned, until it was relatively fitting to the scale of Spain. Then I measured the width of one of the little house symbols designating a city/town. It was equal to about 20 km. I used this as a measure, to know how much 20 km would be on the original unresized map of The Eastern Reach. Long story short, the distance by air from Defiance Bay to Revua should be around 624 miles or around 1005 km. That's just about the distance from Washington to Quebec City. That's roughly how much colder it should be, if we disregard other variables determining the climate or consider them roughly equal.

I've also asked Josh on his tumblr, to see what distance he will give.




Also see:


Also this for a summary:


this must mean some very weird migrations of populaces throughout Eora have taken place

They did. See: http://pillarsofeternity.gamepedia.com/Human
 
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Josh Sawyer said before the game was released that it extends along the southeastern edge of the Eastern Reach, so not fully to the south. People did think what you said was true before he said that, though.

That would put it into the moderate to cold climate. It's either the same climate or colder. Naasitaq (Eskimos) is just south of it. They go all the way to make up these civilizations and a believable setting but don't care where these civilizations are located. It's hilarious :lol:

Maybe they can come up withe some planet rotation shit to make up for it and finally release a map of the "Known World". Seriously, selling fully illustrated and colored setting guides for your crpg and not being able to come up with the most fundamental worldbuilding "pillars".
:negative:
 

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That would put it into the moderate to cold climate. It's either the same climate or colder.

? Just look at the first map I posted, it's consistent with the description I gave you. Along the southeastern edge, meaning that it extends from the south in a northeast direction up to the equator.
 

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I should have waited a few months before playing it, because PotD is way too easy. My 1st death was 12 hours in. 30 hours later and I only have to rest if I stumble into traps otherwise I auto attack everything to death.

Difficulty level in this game is adjusted to retards who struggle on normal.
 

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One thing among many is that it is revealed is that the gods apparently were created to help stave off entropy by sheparding Kith towards improving their souls... Only the engwithans apparently saw fit to create gods with very opposing views in light of this existential threat and one who actually is the embodiment of entropy and seeks the complete entropy of the universe. WHAT?!

Granted, they might have retconned that from PoE1, but iirc

there it was revealed that the Engwithans used their knowledge on souls and animancy to search for any proof for the existence of god(s), never finding any, which came as something of an shock, obviously. All the while the various cultures on Eora used their religion, based on their apparently illusionary gods, happily as justifications for fighting each other, etc. Apparently they were afraid that the revelation of the god's absence would make the world descend even further into chaos.
So they came up with an idea - why not create our own gods, according to various ideals, by sacrificing many of our own people, collecting and sorting their souls, and then fusing them together.
Since they now had "real" gods (or rather very powerful soul-constructs) backing their new-founded religion, together with wonders and all at their disposal, the new Engwithan pantheon was quite convincing.
However, the gods are indeed still based on partly conflicting ideals (like the thing with Rymrgrand and entropy, or Skaen and rebellion), whether due to Obsidian not thinking it through, or actually wanting to create a contradicting pantheon, who knows?
After all, this thing is not too uncommon for polytheistic pantheons (see ancient greece or norse mythology).
 

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That would put it into the moderate to cold climate. It's either the same climate or colder.

? Just look at the first map I posted, it's consistent with the description I gave you. Along the southeastern edge, meaning that it extends from the south in a northeast direction up to the equator.

The purple lines should be the region where tropical climate would be possible (even if Ixamitl isn't really tropical...):

 

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Morkar Anyway, the first game's guidebook did indeed claim that Rauatai was "tropical". There's no sign of that in the second one, though. Sounds rather inhospitable, actually:



Maybe it's been retconned, or maybe we still don't fully understand the map.
 

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And according to the game this map is fucking wrong, just like the others maps. Because on first Island in district with storm callers woman shaman/storm caller in charge reacted on my "The White That Wends" background and said: "It's really rare to meet someone from another edge of the World" (or something like this). I doubt that deadfire negros and rautai would call anyone from relatively near island Naasitaq or polar continent "guy from another edge of the world", so The White That Wends should be under Aedyr Empire, not near Deadfire.
 

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That’s a lot like my opinion and I’m barely off the starter island
Withhold your opinions until you've actually played the game past the first ten hours
Since the first game was SHIT, asking someone to play 10 hours before it gets good is asking a lot.

Have not played it, I will wait for patching to give the game a fair shake. But 10 hours is not gonna happen.
 

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Maybe it's been retconned, or maybe we still don't fully understand the map.

Retconning is the only way they could make this work. And it comes with a big maybe. But I think to make it right they would need to outright declare earlier lore mentions null and void (and fucking up customers who bought the Guidebook and/or Cluebook).
 

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Since the first game was SHIT, asking someone to play 10 hours before it gets good is asking a lot.

Have not played it, I will wait for patching to give the game a fair shake. But 10 hours is not gonna happen.

So, you didn't played it, but you think it's shit, because someone else said it's shit and this someone always 100% right and his opinion shouldn't be questioned. I understand people who played and was honestly disappointed, but your attitude makes me understand why many people blindly follow reviews from IGN and other shitty sites.
 

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Except we aren't IGN, there is not enough time in the world to play/watch/read everything to verify which opinion is correct and whether you like it. With experience, you can filter which opinions have merit and which don't without having consumed the media in question.
 

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Since the first game was SHIT, asking someone to play 10 hours before it gets good is asking a lot.

Have not played it, I will wait for patching to give the game a fair shake. But 10 hours is not gonna happen.

So, you didn't played it, but you think it's shit, because someone else said it's shit and this someone always 100% right and his opinion shouldn't be questioned. I understand people who played and was honestly disappointed, but your attitude makes me understand why many people blindly follow reviews from IGN and other shitty sites.
No. I think the FIRST GAME was SHIT. Which I KNOW since I played it.

I am in no hurry to play this one. So I will wait for some patches first, which is what most of the non-shill posts have suggested. I don't have a lot of faith in patches but I am willing to give this game a fair chance. But I don't have much generosity towards either Obsidian or Sawyer.
 

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