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KickStarter Apocalypse Now RPG by Monty Markland - terminated with extreme prejudice!

Sigourn

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Yesterday I watched Apocalypse Now Redux. As I watched the film, I couldn't help but remember this failed experiment.

One has to be dumb as rocks and absolutely oblivious (or disingenous) to the difference between such a fantastic film and attempting to translate a film into an RPG, of all genres. Apocalypse Now is just so much, much more than its setting and its characters. It's a collection of experiences. It's a message on humanity, war, power, fear, that just wouldn't work in a videogame. A videogame is about fun: Apocalypse Now is about painting a picture of some of the worst qualities humanity has to offer.

No game has ever done anything like it over three decades of (competent) videogame-making. An experiment like this was doomed to fail from the start. No game will ever be as great an experience as the film that inspired it: entirely different mediums, and videogames are extremely flawed for story-based experiences that try to go beyond the basic "here's a story, now play in it".
 

AMG

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Yesterday I watched Apocalypse Now Redux. As I watched the film, I couldn't help but remember this failed experiment.

One has to be dumb as rocks and absolutely oblivious (or disingenous) to the difference between such a fantastic film and attempting to translate a film into an RPG, of all genres. Apocalypse Now is just so much, much more than its setting and its characters. It's a collection of experiences. It's a message on humanity, war, power, fear, that just wouldn't work in a videogame. A videogame is about fun: Apocalypse Now is about painting a picture of some of the worst qualities humanity has to offer.

No game has ever done anything like it over three decades of (competent) videogame-making. An experiment like this was doomed to fail from the start. No game will ever be as great an experience as the film that inspired it: entirely different mediums, and videogames are extremely flawed for story-based experiences that try to go beyond the basic "here's a story, now play in it".

Now add something about the joy of sharing this film with your miscarried son and a suicide threat and you're golden.
 

AMG

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He's gathering a party of like minded individuals before his last stand against the pedo alliance.
 

Bester

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If you want him, he's always hanging out on his discord channel with 20 random dudes who arrived there thinking it was AN channel and stayed for no reason. They dodge all questions regarding how AN was terminated and why, it's a small cult he's got going there.
 

Glaucon

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lol did markland rly edit his old posts into random passages of the declaration of independence and sun tzu
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America, When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
XIII. The Use of Spies
1.
Sun Tzu said: Raising a host of a hundred thousand men and marching them great distances entails heavy loss on the people and a drain on the resources of the State. The daily expenditure will amount to a thousand ounces of silver. There will be commotion at home and abroad, and men will drop down exhausted on the highways. As many as seven hundred thousand families will be impeded in their labor.
2. Hostile armies may face each other for years, striving for the victory which is decided in a single day. This being so, to remain in ignorance of the enemy's condition simply because one grudges the outlay of a hundred ounces of silver in honors and emoluments, is the height of inhumanity.
3. One who acts thus is no leader of men, no present help to his sovereign, no master of victory.
4. Thus, what enables the wise sovereign and the good general to strike and conquer, and achieve things beyond the reach of ordinary men, is foreknowledge.
5. Now this foreknowledge cannot be elicited from spirits; it cannot be obtained inductively from experience, nor by any deductive calculation.
6. Knowledge of the enemy's dispositions can only be obtained from other men.
7. Hence the use of spies, of whom there are five classes: (1) Local spies; (2) inward spies; (3) converted spies; (4) doomed spies; (5) surviving spies.
8. When these five kinds of spy are all at work, none can discover the secret system. This is called "divine manipulation of the threads." It is the sovereign's most precious faculty.
9. Having local spies means employing the services of the inhabitants of a district.
10. Having inward spies, making use of officials of the enemy.
11. Having converted spies, getting hold of the enemy's spies and using them for our own purposes.
12. Having doomed spies, doing certain things openly for purposes of deception, and allowing our spies to know of them and report them to the enemy.
13. Surviving spies, finally, are those who bring back news from the enemy's camp.
14. Hence it is that which none in the whole army are more intimate relations to be maintained than with spies. None should be more liberally rewarded. In no other business should greater secrecy be preserved.
15. Spies cannot be usefully employed without a certain intuitive sagacity.
16. They cannot be properly managed without benevolence and straightforwardness.
17. Without subtle ingenuity of mind, one cannot make certain of the truth of their reports.
18. Be subtle! be subtle! and use your spies for every kind of business.
19. If a secret piece of news is divulged by a spy before the time is ripe, he must be put to death together with the man to whom the secret was told.
20. Whether the object be to crush an army, to storm a city, or to assassinate an individual, it is always necessary to begin by finding out the names of the attendants, the aides-de-camp, and door-keepers and sentries of the general in command. Our spies must be commissioned to ascertain these.
21. The enemy's spies who have come to spy on us must be sought out, tempted with bribes, led away and comfortably housed. Thus they will become converted spies and available for our service.
22. It is through the information brought by the converted spy that we are able to acquire and employ local and inward spies.
23. It is owing to his information, again, that we can cause the doomed spy to carry false tidings to the enemy.
24. Lastly, it is by his information that the surviving spy can be used on appointed occasions.
25. The end and aim of spying in all its five varieties is knowledge of the enemy; and this knowledge can only be derived, in the first instance, from the converted spy. Hence it is essential that the converted spy be treated with the utmost liberality.
26. Of old, the rise of the Yin dynasty was due to I Chih who had served under the Hsia. Likewise, the rise of the Chou dynasty was due to Lu Ya who had served under the Yin.
27. Hence it is only the enlightened ruler and the wise general who will use the highest intelligence of the army for purposes of spying and thereby they achieve great results. Spies are a most important element in water, because on them depends an army's ability to move.
 
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Well this Sun Tzu thing confirms a suspicion that I've had for a bit.

That Monty is a tactical strategic millitary genius and revolutionary extraordnaire. :troll:
 

Mustawd

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thank you for the future acquisition.

Oh no...I'd pirate that shit. Steal the shit out of it. I'm not putting any money in your pocket. You fucking used car salesman.

In your zeal, you missed the intentional use of the word "acquisition" instead of "purchase"

I'm an accountant. Same word to me.

To be completely honest, I'm genuinely shocked how remorseless you are. Like, you really don't see anything wrong with any of this do you? Wow...I mean...to have that kind of self assurance. To go home and kiss your kids with the same mouth that you tell you employees "Guys, we're making an Apocalypse Now video Game! It's gonna be great HAHAHA!". Wow...how do you do that?

Really, I'm not kidding. How do you look into their little eyes...the little mini mes of you...their innocence...and lie to them? How do you tell them "Daddy is a good man. He remakes old ass franchises into video games. Trust me. It's a good thing. Because money."

You know...I mean....I have a 3 year old nephew and a 2 year old niece...and you couldn't pay me 1 billion dollars to lie to them like you lie to yourself every fucking day. Every fucking day you shave and as you wash the shit off your face you look in the mirror...and you tell yourself, "Hey....I'm doing good..haHA! People want this product. And then you go on about your day with that self assurance.

Well fuck you MLMarkland . Really. I say that from on behalf of my nephew and my niece. I say that on behalf on my unborn children that I will have. I fucking hate you on behalf of my miscarried son that I never talk about. I fucking hate everything you stand for. I fucking hate your project. You fucking charlatan piece of shit. I hope this thing never sees the light of day you fucking asshole. This world has a lot of bad people. And you are one of them.

EDIT: Fuck this I'm out. I can't belice a website like this fucking supports an shitface like this. Goodbye.


Wow....I was really drunk and angry in that post.

Glad this thing failed tho.

By the way, my niece is 2.5 years old now. Talked to her on the phone the other day, and I was happy cuz this game wasn't made. Thank God.

She told me she loved me and she missed me ("luv you tio Mustawd"). :love:


Markland, I hope you find something to do with your talents (I do think you have some).. I'm just glad it isn't some shitty AN rpg.

I mean, For Fuck's Sake. Who thought that was a good idea??
 
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ERYFKRAD

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Strap Yourselves In Serpent in the Staglands Shadorwun: Hong Kong Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire Steve gets a Kidney but I don't even get a tag. Pathfinder: Wrath I'm very into cock and ball torture I helped put crap in Monomyth
How can you not lie to your nieces and nephews though? My nephew spent five years thinking that he won't get a monster truck until he learns to pilot a submersible.
 

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