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The Legion Cut Content General

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Personally, I felt the Legion was more creative than the other (largely) antagonistic factions of the Unity (epitome of a simple concept done well) and the Enclave (bit of a mess that became a meme).

Though the cut content makes it a bit hard for me to understand a lot of them. I want this thread to be an archive on information for what the Legion was intended to be and any cut content relating to them.

Some general questions:
-The Legion pride themselves on being strictly hierarchical yet the progression seems very minimalistic. As far as I can tell, it goes from slave to slave without explosives around their neck (that live in Legion territory) to soldier to higher rankings of military personal? Are truly higher rankings chosen by Caesar personally and do they all directly relate to the military?
-What exactly is the Legion economy like? Above the slavestate (of another slavestate), it's said that citizens have basically no responsibilities yet almost no rights either. Is it borderline communist or socialist? There is a mention of taxation but how much privatization is allowed within Legion territory? Is it largely a resource based economy? How does this fit into their views of meritocracy?
 

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All I know about the legion is that the the legionnaires don't prefer the company of women.



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From what I took from game and various post of MCA about legion its essentially still slave army and one big tribe but there are Legion controlled towns, currency is solidly backed by gold and silver and hence worth lot more than both wasteland bottle caps and NCR fiat paper dollars, Merchants don't need to hire guards or pay bribes to patrols and womyn are either wives of Centurions or Priestresses tasked with education of children. Even Cassidy daughter admits its better to run business on Legion territory provided you haved Dick. :incline:
 
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I really wish they made a DLC that expanded on them. Rather wasted that they didn't expand on the Legion, especially since their ending (with Caesar alive) is probably the best ending for the Wasteland.
 

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I really wish they made a DLC that expanded on them. Rather wasted that they didn't expand on the Legion, especially since their ending (with Caesar alive) is probably the best ending for the Wasteland.
Well Lonesome Road is cool if you're with the legion.
 

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Only things I need to know about Legion is where they are and how many of them are there.
I unironically think the NCR is worse than the Legion.

Doesn't matter - I played through all the endings including the independent one getting House, NCR and Legion out of the way. The writing AND world building in this game provides enough justification for each ending scenario. Even the 'evil' Legion faction is modeled in a realistic sense in terms of how such a society may work in a sustainable manner (and not some D&D chaotic evil like most RPGs).

I really wish they made a DLC that expanded on them. Rather wasted that they didn't expand on the Legion, especially since their ending (with Caesar alive) is probably the best ending for the Wasteland.

Honest hearts provides additional lore on the Legion. Lonesome road as well.
 
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Only things I need to know about Legion is where they are and how many of them are there.
I unironically think the NCR is worse than the Legion.

Doesn't matter - I played through all the endings including the independent one getting House, NCR and Legion out of the way. The writing AND world building in this game provides enough justification for each ending scenario. Even the 'evil' Legion faction is modeled in a realistic sense in terms of how such a society may work in a sustainable manner (and not some D&D chaotic evil like most RPGs).

I really wish they made a DLC that expanded on them. Rather wasted that they didn't expand on the Legion, especially since their ending (with Caesar alive) is probably the best ending for the Wasteland.

Honest hearts provides additional lore on the Legion. Lonesome road as well.
I've played through everything, every ending and every DLC. I just wish they would've added a Legion town as a DLC where you can see for yourself how they operate. It would've made the choices a lot more difficult.

I mean we already know how the NCR operate through Fallout: 2, but we don't really know much about the Legion other than second-hand accounts and lore. DLC based in Arizona or a nearby Legion town would've been great.
 

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Regardless of what you as a player personally think about the factions, the game provides enough context and justification for your character to take any side and follow through from a roleplaying perspective.

DLC based in Arizona or a nearby Legion town would've been great.

It would have been ideal. The reality is that Obsidian was pretty much working for sustenance to get this game and DLC packs out in time for Bethesda and they had to cut down on many aspects. Probably why one of the DLCs was basically an item pack.

It is a pity that what is arguably Obsidian's best game didn't make them much money but still continues to generate revenue for Bethesda.
 
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Regardless of what you as a player personally think about the factions, the game provides enough context and justification for your character to take any side and follow through from a roleplaying perspective.
I know? :?
 

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All I know about the legion is that the the legionnaires don't prefer the company of women.
I always thought this was a weird thing in the game. They have dykes and gays in NCR all over, but they seem to make it a point that people in Caesar's Legion are gay, but there doesn't appear to be any dialog or quests that relate to that.

But I agree that things are better with the Legion in charge. The NCR is a bunch of dirtbags, if their presence in Vegas is any indication. The NCR was just a big corrupt dictatorship, bent on taking over the wasteland. The legion was just as big a dictatorship, but without all the corruption.
 

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The legion was just as big a dictatorship, but without all the corruption.
Neither is better. One enslaves directly and forces an ideology while the other enslaves indirectly by forcing economic dependence, and both are militaristic.
 

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The legion was just as big a dictatorship, but without all the corruption.
Neither is better. One enslaves directly and forces an ideology while the other enslaves indirectly by forcing economic dependence, and both are militaristic.
How is neither better when your other options are letting the Wasteland go into chaos/Skynet type shit (Wildcard ending) or having Mr. House stay leaching off the NCR. Legion is the best option for stability in the region.
 

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r. House stay leaching off the NCR
That's not what's described in the end credits or really, much of anywhere in the game.
New Vegas continued to be the sole place in the wasteland where fortunes were won and lost in the blink of an eye

House ending.
Oh, you mean its citizens or whatever, not the actual faction. That's more of just House leeching off the public; the wording confused me there.
 

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The legion was just as big a dictatorship, but without all the corruption.
Neither is better. One enslaves directly and forces an ideology while the other enslaves indirectly by forcing economic dependence, and both are militaristic.
How is neither better when your other options are letting the Wasteland go into chaos/Skynet type shit (Wildcard ending) or having Mr. House stay leaching off the NCR. Legion is the best option for stability in the region.

As long as New Vegas remains independent, neither NCR nor Legion risk all out war due to the uncertain balance of power. An ending with either in power simply means a big war between them is inevitable sooner rather than later since it becomes a clear two-way fight at that point.
 

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How is neither better when your other options are letting the Wasteland go into chaos/Skynet type shit (Wildcard ending) or having Mr. House stay leaching off the NCR. Legion is the best option for stability in the region.
The game repeatedly implies that the Legion will collapse not long after Caesar's death. Caesar himself has visions of establishing New Vegas as his capital and transforming the Legion into a more stable society, but it seems unlikely he would be able to accomplish such a transformation even granted sufficient time in which to do so. As it is, unless the Courier intervenes to help Caesar, he dies of a brain tumor before the Battle of Hoover Dam, and even with the Courier's intervention Caesar probably only has a few years of life left. Lanius, the successor to Caesar, is a brute who would be incapable of ruling effectively, dooming the Legion to disintegration as various Legion generals try to claim power for themselves.
 

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Lanius is the successor as long the legion is just a legion, a nomadic army. But after the conquest of Vegas it is no more nomadic even if Caesar is already dead. It will collapse if Caesar is dead and they didn't conquer anything, but the riches that new vegas provide would be enough to keep legion together to try to conquer the west.
 

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All depended who will be Caesar successor if it will be Currier or Vulpes Inculta Legion will consolidate with New Vegas as its new Rome and even Lanius is not described in game as somebody stupid or short sighted; With his brutality and cunning Legion will be just as successful as with the former just more authoritarian.

:russia:Which is still small price to pay compared to living in decadent demoncracy (NCR), being enslaved by trasnhuman abomination (House) or chaos (Free Vegas) and wasteland savagery (Currier gets assassinated). Take note Currier power base will be Yes Man everybody can turn against him and loose web of alliances made with other factions (BOS, Boomers, Khans, Kings etc...) Hardly most stable power base even if he will be made BoS Paladin and will manage to loot Big Empty and Sierra Madre and take control over nuclear assets of Hopeville.
 

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The legion was just as big a dictatorship, but without all the corruption.
Neither is better. One enslaves directly and forces an ideology while the other enslaves indirectly by forcing economic dependence, and both are militaristic.
How is neither better when your other options are letting the Wasteland go into chaos/Skynet type shit (Wildcard ending) or having Mr. House stay leaching off the NCR. Legion is the best option for stability in the region.
Legion would be the best ending for our civilization too. We need to kill A LOT of degenerates to achieve utopia.
 

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Does anyone have any information about the "speculatores"; were they intended to just be an all-female version of the frumentarii or what?
 

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