Revisiting VtM: Bloodlines

[Jimmious]

World of Darkness was always very "sexually open".

Really? Give me some examples from the 90s then. I'm waiting.

What do you mean "examples" ? It's pen and paper. Can you give me "examples" of WoD in general?
Vampires do all kinds of weird sex shit. In VtM the Tzimisce is producing snuff but gay sex is weird for you?

 

[HansDampf]

Lots of butthurt over some optional gayness in an optional version of an optional patch.

 

[Background Character]

Vampires are pretty gay, bro

 

[Latelistener]

And this:
http://steamcommunity.com/app/2600/discussions/0/133257324797627042/

Played the game for 2.6 hours, and already demands something. That's a faggot alright.
When you people learn that LGBT scum is not interested in gaming in general. They just want to ruin it for someone just to feel exceptional.

 

[Cael]

What do you mean "examples" ? It's pen and paper. Can you give me "examples" of WoD in general?
Vampires do all kinds of weird sex shit. In VtM the Tzimisce is producing snuff but gay sex is weird for you?

Give examples in the rule books and background where WoD indicated VtM is "open". It cannot be that hard to understand. You made the claim that the setting has always been "open". You are asked to prove it. The onus is on you.

 

[Infinitron]

People who play games about trashy decadent 90s goths but get squicked out by homos

 

[Storyfag]

Let the man mod. It's not like you are forced to use the patch, unless you are compelled by your scientific passion for homosexuality, like HHR is.

This warrants action. Humanity has risen!

But seriously, you lot are pathetic. Getting so triggered by an option in character creation that nobody forces you to use? Unless you're not so different from our friend HHR, Goral Nerevar ?

 

[Goral]

To play a VTMB as developers intended, install the Tessera's True Patch instead of Wesp's Unofficial "Patch". Not even the basic version.

Could you provide a link to this patch? Last time I've tried to find it I ended up with mega mod that changed too much (all policemen became policewomen without panties, there were tons of erotic posters too and in general it became way more NSFW).

 

[Jimmious]

What do you mean "examples" ? It's pen and paper. Can you give me "examples" of WoD in general?
Vampires do all kinds of weird sex shit. In VtM the Tzimisce is producing snuff but gay sex is weird for you?

Give examples in the rule books and background where WoD indicated VtM is "open". It cannot be that hard to understand. You made the claim that the setting has always been "open". You are asked to prove it. The onus is on you.

Oh wow look here, a scholar! Thank you for explaining me things that I can't understand, oh mighty one.

Now, I claim that undead humanoids that stay "alive" due to evil, unearthly powers can do any form of sexual act they deem interesting simply because they can - while the dude that "asked me to prove it" implies that they follow some moral code that wouldn't allow them to apparently have gay sex specifically because "ew that's degenerate"... while simultaneously some of them decapitate human bodies and drink blood from their eye sockets or whatever.
Why should I prove my point and not he as his makes less sense? Who gives a fuck if he "asked me to prove it"? Did he provide any proof of his claims in the first place and I have to provide mine? What are we doing here, writing a paper for some scientific magazine?

 

[Prime Junta]

This thread just keeps on delivering.

 

[Wesp5]

To play a VTMB as developers intended, install the Tessera's True Patch instead of Wesp's Unofficial "Patch".

Yeah, sure. Troika intended Bloodlines to be released unfinished and broken. Tim Cain wrote in "Gamers at work" (http://books.google.com/books?id=lroZsP4zyIYC&pg=PA102):

"Activision had us work on the game until a certain point, and then they froze the project. We'd have continued to improve the game, especially by fixing bugs and finishing incomplete areas, but they didn't let that happen." and "Activision had become impatient and wanted the game shipped as soon as possible. They wanted to cut areas of complexity, we wanted to maintain quality, and the game was caught in a lopsided tug-of-war. In the end, Activision “won”, and the game was shipped with many bugs, cinematic cutscene issues, and incomplete areas."

 

[Zed]

Is there a version of this patch with only fixes and restored content?

 

[Delterius]

Basically, the big issue here is that by including the possibility of a homo PC you've taken a step towards turning VtMB into Twilight.

Vampires in Los Angeles.

 

[Sizzle]

ITT: people complaining about the addition of optional homosexuality to a game that already has optional homosexuality :D

 

[Delterius]

TBH I am against this as a change. I feel that this sort of modding should be done completely on the side. But that's what the basic version is for.

 

[Goral]

To play a VTMB as developers intended, install the Tessera's True Patch instead of Wesp's Unofficial "Patch".

Yeah, sure. Troika intended Bloodlines to be released unfinished and broken. Tim Cain wrote in "Gamers at work" (http://books.google.com/books?id=lroZsP4zyIYC&pg=PA102):

"Activision had us work on the game until a certain point, and then they froze the project. We'd have continued to improve the game, especially by fixing bugs and finishing incomplete areas, but they didn't let that happen." and "Activision had become impatient and wanted the game shipped as soon as possible. They wanted to cut areas of complexity, we wanted to maintain quality, and the game was caught in a lopsided tug-of-war. In the end, Activision “won”, and the game was shipped with many bugs, cinematic cutscene issues, and incomplete areas."

Tim Cain had barely worked on Bloodlines.

http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...-with-rpg-developers-aggregate-thread.113884/

Just to be clear, I came over to the Vampire team after the first two years of development, and my role was to provide programming leadership and work on areas of the game code that needed immediate help, such as creature artificial intelligence and file-packing issues. So, I never interacted with Activision during development.

With that said, the Vampire game had been under development for three years. While that’s not a long time for a role-playing game—Fallout had taken three and half years to develop, and that was a simpler game made almost a decade earlier—Activision had become impatient and wanted the game shipped as soon as possible. They wanted to cut areas of complexity, we wanted to maintain quality, and the game was caught in a lopsided tug-of-war. In the end, Activision “won,” and the game was shipped with many bugs, cinematic cutscene issues, and incomplete areas.

They wanted to maintain quality, hence faggotry was kept to a minimum, but you know better.

 

[Delterius]

hence faggotry was kept to a minimum

have you even played this game

 

[Wesp5]

Is there a version of this patch with only fixes and restored content?

There is a version with fixes only, which is the default basic patch. The plus patch contains restored content, but of course some of that won't be exactly what Troika would have done because how should we know? I'm surprised about the anti-gay sentiments expressed here. Nobody cares when we recreate whole maps with little information, but adding a small history that nobody is forced to use creates such an outrage...

P.S.: Some of the original Troika histories are: Ex-Gymnast-Stripper, Bar Singer Seductress, Peeping Tom, Perv and Slut. You even get bonus blood for the latter two!

 

[Xeon]

I really like your mod for the most part, so I hope you don't get too upset and quit modding or something over some of the complaints, really like playing VtMB every once in a while, feels kinda nice the game still having support.

 

[Jimmious]

Is there a version of this patch with only fixes and restored content?

... I'm surprised about the anti-gay sentiments expressed here. ...

Seriously? Surprised? I'm surprised you didn't expect a shitstorm by posting this update here

 

[Wesp5]

Seriously? Surprised? I'm surprised you didn't expect a shitstorm by posting this update here

We just got gay marriage here in Germany this Oktober and I thought this was much more common and accepted in the US. Also it seems to me that half of the famous people in the US are gay, but then maybe with the Kevin Spacey story going on this wasn't exactly good timing .

 

[Wesp5]

I really like your mod for the most part, so I hope you don't get too upset and quit modding or something over some of the complaints...

No fear, but then I hope that with 10.0 or something the patch will finally be as good as I can make it! No mayor changes planned, the gay thing was a rather improvised last minute/beta thing .

 

[fobia]

Please do not add fuel to the fire. You do not know what lurks in GD and is only waiting to come here and wreak havoc...

 

[Kev Inkline]

Getting agitated over this is like getting getting angry over someone drawing mildly erotic Disney fan art.

 

[Jimmious]

Seriously? Surprised? I'm surprised you didn't expect a shitstorm by posting this update here

We just got gay marriage here in Germany this Oktober and I thought this was much more common and accepted in the US. Also it seems to me that half of the famous people in the US are gay, but then maybe with the Kevin Spacey story going on this wasn't exactly good timing .

You can copy-paste that here: Trigger the Codex with a statement

(Don't try to make sense of the Codex)