Eternity Pillars of Eternity II: Deadfire Pre-Release Thread [BETA RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Ulfhednar]

Hmmm.

So not just 50/50 splits!

 

[Lacrymas]

Everything they've shown up to now has been incline in one way or another and I'm starting to feel the inklings of hype, especially after WM2, but it feels wrong because of so many disappointments lately.

 

[FreeKaner]

Wizard/Cipher is Hierophant and Wizard/Priest is thaumaturge, when the opposite would make much more sense. I hope this is fixed, someone write to Josh or something.

 

[Haplo]

2nd ed style multiclassing instead of 3rd ed. style multiclassing? Huuuge decline.
Then again, apparently there will be some options to shift the class focus via the general feats... and I never actually felt the need for multiclassing in PoE.
Plus subclasses are a nice touch, even if inferior to 3rd ed. Prestige Classes.

So overall I stay optimistic (though slightly less so then before).

 

[Starwars]

The multiclassing change is a bit of a bummer but I still think it sounds rather good to be honest.

The subclasses are pure incline to me, it looks to be loads of fun.

What I don't like is the inclusion of the crazier looking abilities like kicking the laguafeth up in the air or doing the good ol' "jump up in the sky and land on the enemy" type of visuals. I guess there was a bit of that in PoE (mostly in the expansion) but yeah... not a big fan of that stylistically. But I guess it's a good way to distinguish things from one another since there are a fuckton of spells and actions to take in combat now.

 

[Frusciante]

55 class combinations with 4 subclasses each makes for 220, minus a few Pala-Priest combos that are blocked.

That doesn't seem right?

Each class combination has 16 possibilities since both classes have 4 options (default and the 3 subclasses). So then it would be 16x55=880 combinations. Without excluding the blocked combinations.

And I still forgot the standard single class options: 4x11=44.

So 924 combinations minus the blocked combinations.

 

[Mot]

55 class combinations with 4 subclasses each makes for 220, minus a few Pala-Priest combos that are blocked.

That doesn't seem right?

Each class combination has 16 possibilities since both classes have 4 options (default and the 3 subclasses). So then it would be 16x55=880 combinations. Without excluding the blocked combinations.

If there are 4 subclasses per class (default + 3 options), then there are 44 single-class options. So there are 44 choose 2 = 946 multi-class combinations, then you add the 44 single-class options to get a total 990 total combinations (not counting blocked options). However, in the video there seemed to be more than 3 subclasses per class, so we can't know the actual number.

 

[Infinitron]

However, in the video there seemed to be more than 3 subclasses per class, so we can't know the actual number.

You can if you read the update!

 

[Lacrymas]

Yeah, I have a feeling some of these combinations are going to be overpowered and impossible to balance :p

Wizard/Cipher is Hierophant and Wizard/Priest is thaumaturge, when the opposite would make much more sense. I hope this is fixed, someone write to Josh or something.

Actually, thaumaturge fits Wizard/Priest great. A thaumaturge is a saint who works magic (or a magician who performs miracles), while a hierophant is someone who guides people to holy places, although it depends on where you get the word, the other meaning is a very specific priest (of the eumolpidae) who performs sacrifices. Wizard/Cipher being a hierophant makes no sense, however.

 

[Mot]

However, in the video there seemed to be more than 3 subclasses per class, so we can't know the actual number.

You can if you read the update!

Oh... woops. Then it's 50 C 2 + 50 C 1 = 1275.

 

[NullFlow]

Must be fun balancing all these sub-classes and naming them.

 

[Abu Antar]

Going to try a Monk/Druid combo. Shifter/Nalpazca.

or

A Fihter/Monk combo. A Devoted/Shattered Pillar.

 

[Infinitron]

 

[Frusciante]

55 class combinations with 4 subclasses each makes for 220, minus a few Pala-Priest combos that are blocked.

That doesn't seem right?

Each class combination has 16 possibilities since both classes have 4 options (default and the 3 subclasses). So then it would be 16x55=880 combinations. Without excluding the blocked combinations.

If there are 4 subclasses per class (default + 3 options), then there are 44 single-class options. So there are 44 choose 2 = 946 multi-class combinations, then you add the 44 single-class options to get a total 990 total combinations (not counting blocked options). However, in the video there seemed to be more than 3 subclasses per class, so we can't know the actual number.

Are you not also including combinations like ranger/ranger in this calculation?

 

[Lacrymas]

You can't multiclass two subclasses of the same class with each other. At least I don't think so, even though it showed that you can in the video, Monk + Monk being Godandag, unless that's some kind of inside joke I don't get.

 

[Frusciante]

You can't multiclass two subclasses of the same class with each other. At least I don't think so, even though it showed that you can in the video.

Yes thats why I mentioned it, it wouldn't make sense.

BTW, something else I noticed. It seems like you would have a fairly limited number of abilities. Looking at the power progression, wizards for example would only get a bit more than 2 spells on average per spell level. In general I would be ok with less active ability, it would be preferable to have fewer but more impactful abilities.

 

[Ulfhednar]

You can't multiclass two subclasses of the same class with each other. At least I don't think so, even though it showed that you can in the video.

Yes thats why I mentioned it, it wouldn't make sense.

BTW, something else I noticed. It seems like you would have a fairly limited number of abilities. Looking at the power progression, wizards for example would only get a bit more than 2 spells on average per spell level. In general I would be ok with less active ability, it would be preferable to have fewer but more impactful abilities.

Yes - less abilities and everything is per encounter. Choosing spells is going to be tough. They haven't said much about grimoires yet.

 

[Lacrymas]

Since you can change grimoires, that won't be that much of a problem, but yeah, it seems like you get less spells per level.

 

[Infinitron]

They haven't said much about grimoires yet.

They've said enough. Grimoires are no longer receptacles for "memorized" spells but are instead a source of spells. Spells gained on level-up do not go in a grimoire.

 

[Sannom]

Something that isn't mentioned in the update but appears in the video : wizard specializations come with a special ability each, it's not just barring/empowering schools. The Conjurer can summon a familiar and the Transmaster can shapeshift into an ogre.

 

[Mot]

55 class combinations with 4 subclasses each makes for 220, minus a few Pala-Priest combos that are blocked.

That doesn't seem right?

Each class combination has 16 possibilities since both classes have 4 options (default and the 3 subclasses). So then it would be 16x55=880 combinations. Without excluding the blocked combinations.

If there are 4 subclasses per class (default + 3 options), then there are 44 single-class options. So there are 44 choose 2 = 946 multi-class combinations, then you add the 44 single-class options to get a total 990 total combinations (not counting blocked options). However, in the video there seemed to be more than 3 subclasses per class, so we can't know the actual number.

Are you not also including combinations like ranger/ranger in this calculation?

Oh yeah, forgot about that. Then I think it should be ((8 * 4 * 46) + (3 * 6 * 44)) / 2 + 50 = 1182. For the 8 classes that have 4 subclasses, you can choose one of 46 other options, and similarly for the 3 classes with 6 subclasses. Divide by 2 because you've counted every option twice, and add the remaining 50 single-classes. Hopefully I haven't fucked up again.

 

[Ulfhednar]

Looks like I'll be rolling a lot of specialist wizards - not much downside to losing access to spell schools with the limited selection at level up.

 

[Tenebris]

They haven't said much about grimoires yet.

They've said enough. Grimoires are no longer receptacles for "memorized" spells but are instead a source of spells. Spells gained on level-up do not go in a grimoire.

Interesting. I wonder what Grimoires will used for then. Power ups? Stat boosts?

Something that isn't mentioned in the update but appears in the video : wizard specializations come with a special ability each, it's not just barring/empowering schools. The Conjurer can summon a familiar and the Transmaster can shapeshift into an ogre.

I hope that will be the case for the other subclasses too then.

 

[IHaveHugeNick]

55 class combinations with 4 subclasses each makes for 220, minus a few Pala-Priest combos that are blocked.

That doesn't seem right?

Each class combination has 16 possibilities since both classes have 4 options (default and the 3 subclasses). So then it would be 16x55=880 combinations. Without excluding the blocked combinations.

If there are 4 subclasses per class (default + 3 options), then there are 44 single-class options. So there are 44 choose 2 = 946 multi-class combinations, then you add the 44 single-class options to get a total 990 total combinations (not counting blocked options). However, in the video there seemed to be more than 3 subclasses per class, so we can't know the actual number.

Are you not also including combinations like ranger/ranger in this calculation?

Oh yeah, forgot about that. Then I think it should be ((8 * 4 * 46) + (3 * 6 * 44)) / 2 + 50 = 1182. For the 8 classes that have 4 subclasses, you can choose one of 46 other options, and similarly for the 3 classes with 6 subclasses. Divide by 2 because you've counted every option twice, and add the remaining 50 single-classes. Hopefully I haven't fucked up again.

Aren't you guys counting ranger/rouge and rogue/ranger twice though?

 

[imweasel]

When is the alpha being released? I want to give Sawyerism 2.1a Enhanced Edition a spin.