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Paradox increase prices in poor countries, change their minds after getting reviewbombed lol

Siobhan

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It is ridiculous how publishers have trained their customers to not buy games till they are on sale.
You're right about the dynamics and how it is easy for digital distribution platforms to incentivize steep discounts while they still make a profit on every sale to the developers' detriment. But the general rule that waiting is beneficial holds for many products. If you're about to buy a car and have no plans to sell it after a few years, you're better off getting last year's model than the current one. Buying a computer? Don't get tech that just got released, go for reliable tech that's now available at a discount. Unless supply is severely limited (e.g. seasonal fashion), an early purchase means paying more than you have to. The only remarkable thing about games is that despite the unusually large percentage discounts the actual savings are relatively small, at most $50 for AAA, way less for indies. But compared to other hobbies it's also a fairly low income community, so those savings are significant enough to matter.
 

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lmao, i just pirate all their games and dlc anyway
retarded paradox fanboys will still buy their games and Johan knows he can get away with it
 

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2x price increase for some countries. Seems awfully scorched earth to me.

I'm sure this has something to do with resellers and the biggest losers here are the good people in those countries who legitimately bought and played the Paradox games.
 

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Yup Pirate live for me.Love riding my Black pearl.I am from Bulgaria which is in the Broken Union and the prices are in euro.All the EU4 shit cost 282.57 euro which is equal to a month salary.Worst thing is that it is not worth the money.It have a lot of bugs that introduced in every new patch and their dlcs have like 8hour work from a decent programmer.Most things i could do in a few hours and i have zero programming skills.
 

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With a game like Pillars of Eternity with the expansions costing R$ 183,00 while the minimum wage is R$ 937,00 a month, they are just pushing with those prices, this is 1/5 of a minimum wage.

Yeah, it's completely retarded. I wanted to try Stellaris but no way I'm giving them monies after pulling this up. I'm sure it has to do with Paradox going the public trading route -- gotta appease the shareholders.

I wouldn't mind so much but they seem to be in bed with Obsidian and HBS as a publisher, so probably gonna get more jacked up prices in the future.
 

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I wouldn't not remove their games from inventory if I were you.
Or else-
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It is ridiculous how publishers have trained their customers to not buy games till they are on sale.
Well, I wouldn't say they trained me - rather, they seduced me into actually buying games. Until the whole discount shtick arrived with GOG and Steam, I practically never purchased games legally. There was a brief period of huge discounts in shops when I did start buying legal games on CDs, but more out of a sense of duty to repay the enjoyment I felt when playing the pirated versions of those games years ago.

I have an aversion to hype with games, films, and books, so it does not bother me that I cannot play the newest releases. I even deliberately refuse to upgrade my PC so as not to be lured by some failed RPG with good graphics. If the game is so good, it does not matter if I play it now or later on, and it might actually be patched and polished better by the time I get down to playing it ten years after its release.
 
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Sorry for the spam guys but i just saw this and couldn't help myself.This is what the human being that i was talking in the last post wrote in the forum:




AJSM said:
"Yea, that makes the situation worse. Paradox don't release AAA games like those companies yet they charge AAA prices and somehow their "complete experience" ends up being more expensive.

I still remember that horrible day years ago when a Paradox guy opened a thread and said "from now on we are changing our business model to modular DLCs". It has been downhill since then.
Getting more things for free is downhill?" (This is citation of some guy complying about the DLCs)


(Here is the star of the human being's respond)
If we hadnt changed model, you'd have gotten far fewer expansions than now. EU4 would have stopped patching at 1.3, and Conquest of Paradise would be a 20$ expansion, including all 1.4 fixes and graphics.

Then Wealth of Nations would come a year later and require you to have bought CoP as well, and would also be a 20$ expansion.

There would be no Res Publica.

And the final expansion, Art of War, would be released in early 2016, with about half as many features of it and the 1.8 patch. Most likely without the map changes, as eu4 would be on its way to sunset. It would also cost 20$ and require both CoP and WoN.

Then there wouldnt be anything else until and eu5 announcement about late 2017 for an early 2019 release. It would be EU4 with new map, the features from El Dorado & Common Sense...
 

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To be honest, most of Paradox's new DLC are just feature bloat. No-one needed Tibet in Crusader Kings or Ages of Empire's-style Ages in EU4.
 

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You think the reason they're doing this is to prevent key selling from those countries?
If that is their intention, key reselling must be a bigger problem than losing entire markets for piracy then, because that is what is going to happen. I'm not a bottom of the barrel poorfag here on Brazil but I'm already feeling the heat of those prices. No game on the world is worthy 1/5 of a monthly minimum wage, they are just killing their market here with those prices.
It's the only explanation I can think of. This may not be the most gross practice I've seen by a games industry publisher, but its in the conversation. Hiking prices on games up to 5 years old and disowning loyal fans in poorer countries is a glob of saliva on the face of the consumer and trades long-term stability for a slight bump in short-term profit. When these markets become more viable, other publishers who had the foresight to get their foot in the door will be rewarded.

Edit: There are reports on the GOG forums Paradox changed their prices in the middle of a sale.
 
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Brazil for example is 1% of the total market.

Chances are that they simply calculated that the key reselling is losing them more money than legit sales are bringing in.
 

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Brazil for example is 1% of the total market.

Chances are that they simply calculated that the key reselling is losing them more money than legit sales are bringing in.
It is a pity, because I mostly avoid pirating and had a few Paradox games on my buy list but if their rationale is "Fuck you guys, we can make more money fucking you than providing you a decent service, you value nothing to us." then an answer in kind is more than appropriate.

Hey, Paradox, my third world ass is worthy nothing to you? No problem, my friend Jack Sparrow will sell me your games for the real value they have.
 

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It is ridiculous how publishers have trained their customers to not buy games till they are on sale.
You're right about the dynamics and how it is easy for digital distribution platforms to incentivize steep discounts while they still make a profit on every sale to the developers' detriment. But the general rule that waiting is beneficial holds for many products. If you're about to buy a car and have no plans to sell it after a few years, you're better off getting last year's model than the current one. Buying a computer? Don't get tech that just got released, go for reliable tech that's now available at a discount. Unless supply is severely limited (e.g. seasonal fashion), an early purchase means paying more than you have to. The only remarkable thing about games is that despite the unusually large percentage discounts the actual savings are relatively small, at most $50 for AAA, way less for indies. But compared to other hobbies it's also a fairly low income community, so those savings are significant enough to matter.
Another key difference is that unlike most other items, digital ones tend to improve in quality as the price drops. (Bug fixes, player-documented information, gold editions, etc.)

The main reason to buy at release is to participate in the "experience" of other people being excited at the same time. Either swapping stories with other gamers, or multiplayer. The discount represents a degraded social experience, not a degraded product.
 

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Yeah, it's completely retarded. I wanted to try Stellaris but no way I'm giving them monies after pulling this up. I'm sure it has to do with Paradox going the public trading route -- gotta appease the shareholders.
What are the next moves? Denuvo, always online and loot boxes? Can't wait!:bounce:
 

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Well it is possible for denuvo to kick the bucket soon.Having actual easy crack and being sued for piracy.Btw i was just playing Total War Warhammer if someone cares about it.Oh and the game is boring with broken diplomacy.
 

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Jesus, I'm depressed, gonna abandon medicine to flip some burgers on the US. Gonna get some training on mine avoidance, michinegun fire avoidance and climbing, at least Trump will guarantee the immigrants that will pass through, survived the selection of the fittest.:lol:
 
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So apparently that happened during their crusade for equality and socialism.From what i gathered on the forum Russia got hit the hardest with double prices.It must amazing to wake some day and find that your buying power have doubled during the night.One of their guys came out and wrote this:

Hey gang,
As you have noticed prices for our products have increased in certain regions around the globe and this is something we've intentionally done. The reason for this is to make our prices match the purchasing power of those areas, as well as create a more equal price point for our products across the globe.

Our prices have remained pretty much the same for several years and it's only natural for us to re-evaluate price points at regular intervals based on the strength of various currencies, fluctuations in world markets and many other factors. This is something that all publishers do and we are no exception.

Sadly this means that the price has gone up for certain regions and whilst this is something we'd like to avoid, it's necessary to keep our price point more in line with our other markets. We sincerely apologize for any frustration this may cause and hope you can understand why we are doing this.

Now when you go and click on the reviews in steam you will see that at least the top 100 recent reviews are all negative.
Here a link to the the forum if someone wants to read a lil bit of fun:
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/price-increase.1022680/
I had good time reading the backlash and the retarded fanboys while drinking cheap alcohol.Have fun guys!


Always funny to watch people attempt to explain greed logically.

It's greed. It isn't logical and it doesn't need explanation.
 

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The main reason to buy at release is to participate in the "experience" of other people being excited at the same time. Either swapping stories with other gamers, or multiplayer. The discount represents a degraded social experience, not a degraded product.

I've only encountered that with FPS games and MMOs. A game like BF1942 and it's mods had to be bought close to release or within a year of it or you miss most of what makes them enjoyable. That is all the more important with mods like DC where you could only make full us of bugs early on to fuck with people for maximum fun.

MMOs.... Back in the day the first few years for many were the most enjoyable due to population matching the world size (rather than having more than half the world be a ghost town). Nowadays the way they keep flopping the only enjoyment you're going to get from most is to be there at launch to play with the surge before most quit after the first few months and the follow them as they repeat the same sad musical chairs with the next launch.

Other game genres, like Paradox's Grand Strategies, seem to have longer social lives, from multiplayer to sharing stories on forums like this, to hell, people are STILL pumping out Let's Plays of their games based around mods and not the latest DLC that won't be on sale for some time.
 

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A game like BF1942 and it's
"Its".

My PCs keyboard bought it last week so I'm stuck using my laptop for this sort of thing. I have never liked laptop keyboards and it seems I'll never be able to adapt to them, but that's what I'm stuck with until I can find another one. Buddies on Steam have brought up that new Mummy movie, I have misspelled Tom Cruises name more times than I have done it correctly, and I just did it again now but went out of my way to double check it and so caught it.

Be happy that's the worst of the typos this has resulted in on here.
 

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