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How do YOU pirate?

pippin

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Yeah, but Gaiman is mentioning people who are already willing to buy his works. The problem here is that you'll hear creators being ok with the internet because companies (publishers, etc) fuck them in the ass in the ugliest way imaginable. Creators are lucky to get like 10% of the money made by sales of music or books, for instance, and in videogames nobody cares about the creator issue at all. Nobody cares if Jullian Gollop does not own X-COM. Nobody cares if the people who created No One Lives Forever can't sell the game they made with their own hands. And that's why videogames are a shit industry.
 
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Raghar

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I think these three groups shouldn't be forced to pay for games at all.
1. disabled.
2. long term unemployed. (Or these who spend a lot of time doing game development, even if it was unpaid, or didn't release, or they didn't worked for company. The time they wasted by doing games or self-education counts not actual results.)
3. these who last three months, or averaged for two years, were under certain wage.

Nothing prevents government to issue taxes on these who are not in any of these three groups. They just needs to check how much they are playing each game, to give developer proper share. Problem with DRM solved. No need for any. Pirate away.
 
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This is like arguing that free samples are robbing a store of sales. Just because I'm willing to try out some free crackers and cheese doesn't mean I would have bought them if they weren't offered to begin with.

No, it's not like that at all. If the retailer is choosing to give away some crackers for FREE than there is no sale lost. A sale isn't a physical thing. It's more of a concept. It's the exchange of money for goods. Free samples were never intended to be sold, therefore there is no sale lost. Contrary to your entire backwards thinking, free samples are actually used to promote sales and usually do just that. Similar to demos.

A cracker itself is not a sale. A SALE is a SALE. A cracker is a cracker.

I didn't address the rest of your post because socialism is self-defeating.
 
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Chris Avelltwo

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Steam made piracy obsolete. Just wait until a sale or bundle if you can't afford a game, or beg your friends for a steam key. There's zero excuse to be a pirate anymore.
 

Father Foreskin

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I pirate some old Ninty stuff because i dont want to buy the latest version of their shit gimmick hardware to take a gamble if the stuff i want exists in the e-shop someday. The few games i have paid for this decade include underrail, torment, poe etc... i have found out that the best way to avoid playing shit games is to have no hardware that runs new first or third person action games/shooters. Shitty laptop is like condom for your brain.
 

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And theft has nothing to do with sales. It has to do with depriving someone of their property. You can't do that by pirating shit. Unless you bust into Bethesda and yank their hard copies of Elderscroll VII or whatever the fuck they're on now, they haven't lost anything, they can still keep selling whatever you pirated.

Stealing crackers is wrong because it deprives people of crackers. 'Stealing' sales is irrelevant because it deprives nobody of anything.
 
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And theft has nothing to do with sales. It has to do with depriving someone of their property. You can't do that by pirating shit. Unless you bust into Bethesda and yank their hard copies of Elderscroll VII or whatever the fuck they're on now, they haven't lost anything, they can still keep selling whatever you pirated.

Stealing crackers is wrong because it deprives people of crackers. 'Stealing' sales is irrelevant because it deprives nobody of anything.

Wrong on all counts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_property

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright

Now you may disagree with these laws, and that's your right. But it doesn't change the fact that you're incorrect. Copying copyrighted material is theft. Sure, you can argue that it's not as bad as stealing food from the poor, and you'd probably be right, but it's still theft.
 

pippin

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And theft has nothing to do with sales. It has to do with depriving someone of their property. You can't do that by pirating shit. Unless you bust into Bethesda and yank their hard copies of Elderscroll VII or whatever the fuck they're on now, they haven't lost anything, they can still keep selling whatever you pirated.

Stealing crackers is wrong because it deprives people of crackers. 'Stealing' sales is irrelevant because it deprives nobody of anything.

Well, when a person pirates a copy of a movie, album or game, this person is negating that 10% I mentioned, which also happens to be their source of income.
 

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Now you may disagree with these laws, and that's your right. But it doesn't change the fact that you're incorrect. Copying copyrighted material is theft. Sure, you can argue that it's not as bad as stealing food from the poor, and you'd probably be right, but it's still theft.

No, that's a copyright violation. In case of games it's actually special case, because life of a platform and perfect compatibility is MUCH shorter than copyright period. Basically in case of computer, and console, games they are abusing copyright by using it on field where it should have MUCH shorter protection time and less ability to restrict users.
 
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No, that's a copyright violation. In case of games it's actually special case, because life of a platform and perfect compatibility is MUCH shorter than copyright period. Basically in case of computer, and console, games they are abusing copyright by using it on field where it should have MUCH shorter protection time and less ability to restrict users.
Theft is the misappropriation or taking of anything of value which belongs to another, copyright infringement is exactly that.
 

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No, that's a copyright violation. In case of games it's actually special case, because life of a platform and perfect compatibility is MUCH shorter than copyright period. Basically in case of computer, and console, games they are abusing copyright by using it on field where it should have MUCH shorter protection time and less ability to restrict users.
Theft is the misappropriation or taking of anything of value which belongs to another, copyright infringement is exactly that.
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buru5

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No, that's a copyright violation. In case of games it's actually special case, because life of a platform and perfect compatibility is MUCH shorter than copyright period. Basically in case of computer, and console, games they are abusing copyright by using it on field where it should have MUCH shorter protection time and less ability to restrict users.
Theft is the misappropriation or taking of anything of value which belongs to another, copyright infringement is exactly that.
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>implying I don't pirate

Believe I made it clear I was playing devil's advocate.

Regardless, the Jew is a socialist. They'd be happier with you pirating all sorts of games to keep yourself braindead for their foreskin feedings.
 

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Paying off loans for the rest of your life if you want a college education. Getting fucked for life if you can't afford good insurance and have any kind of health problem. Who benefits from this, I wonder...
 

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Games in Argentina cost around 1/8 of the minimum wage, which wouldn't be THAT bad if it wasn't because eveyrthing is expensive as fuck in this fucking country.

Thank you, Macri.
You do know christina is to blame for that, dont you?
 

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No, that's a copyright violation. In case of games it's actually special case, because life of a platform and perfect compatibility is MUCH shorter than copyright period. Basically in case of computer, and console, games they are abusing copyright by using it on field where it should have MUCH shorter protection time and less ability to restrict users.
Theft is the misappropriation or taking of anything of value which belongs to another, copyright infringement is exactly that.
You can't have taken something if the 'victim' still has the thing. That's why we have different words for things like copyright infringement or plagiarism. Also, your incredibly shitty definition of theft would include collecting taxes or even accepting payment for selling the video game.
 

Delbaeth

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The freedom to get crap for free vs the ability to buy crap for cheap.

In the end we all stink the same.

What a strange world, indeed.
 

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Apart from heavily moddable games that I always buy because I like modding and love playing modded games, even though I never bother playing them unmodded (TW, Bethesda, etc), games/publishers I support financially (mostly Paradox, I buy everything they do even though I don't always play them); I just use it as a demo system, since almost no one is releasing game demos anymore. Steam refund system is also nice for that.
99.9% of the time the games are utter shit anyway. Hell, for the past couple years games are so shit I don't even need to try them, not worth the bandwidth (which is free).
 

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I wouldn't steal a bus, but I am all for making an exact copy of it for my own amusement, or to try if driving that bus is my thing.

For me, piracy is invaluable, as it lets me lets me take some of my consumer rights back.
Peddling unfinished games at full price, obscuring the fact that a fully priced game has only 8 hours worth of actual content,
being forced to buy a game piecemeal at twice the list price with rampant DLC, not being able to re-sell a game I own,
forcing me to stay online for a single player game, forcing invasive DRM that can actually damage PC hardware (starforce, etc.).

All of the above has happened and demonstrates how customers are being constantly shat upon, and I won't be shat upon by my fucking entertainment.
With piracy I get to decide the terms: when will I play the game, how will I play the game, and when and how much I will pay for it.
And I am actually willing to pay for the good stuff.
 

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I don't even bother with games unless I am fairly certain I will like it and then I will pay for it. If I think the devs need to be supported I will buy several copies and pass em around.

When I was a kid you could rent computer games at reasonable cost. If it was good I would make copies of the disk(s).

Piracy comes down to disposable income. At some point pirating becomes more of a pain in the ass than the time is worth. $50 game? Here's $100, don't make me fuck around pirating it.
 

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Steve gets a Kidney but I don't even get a tag.
I live in the land where they hunt you down like crazy if they notice you uploaded EVEN A SLIGHT LITTLE BYTE of anything pirated... so I don't do it anymore. Plus as a developer myself I like to support other devs, especially of small companies.
However since I'm addicted to getting new games, pirating SOME OF THEM, would have been nice :dealwithit:
 

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