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Decline 13: Temporary Subtitle

mondblut

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Of course! This is looking crazier and crazier! Is seventeen enough? We still need Atlantis!

We will probably have to do a nice big random map at this rate. Or if not that I'd suggest Cradle of Dominion 4.22, with fixed some starts, added caves, balanced income, etc.

http://www.desura.com/games/dominio...on-422-20622-more-caves-and-balanced-revision

Yuck. I am not playing Agartha on Cradle of Dominion against Malakal again :lol: (and in Decline 9 we had half as many players, mind you)
 

thesheeep

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Given the amount of players, what about this rule:
No extension longer than 24h.
It is usually enough for people asking for extensions, yet it won't keep the others waiting for TOO long.
And if you stall for a turn, well, deal with it.

I know OP said any extension, but... come on.
 

sqeecoo

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Don't worry Grim, there won't be voting. I'll use raw willpower to decide the map, just looking for suggestions. So far I'm liking Shaluda, but I'm open to other options like one of July's pregenerated maps. Is the old Codex Shaluda version from D2 viable?

I also agree with you, thesheep, we can't have infinite extensions with 17 players. However, if someone is actually legitimately away for a couple of days, we'll extend - no point in him stalling multiple turns.

What we'll normally do is only extend each turn by a max of 24h as you said, and only if someone asks. I won't be extending just because I see people in danger of stalling near the end of the turn timer. This is for the earlygame and early midgame of course, we can get more lax later on.
 

sqeecoo

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So, no complaints about Shaluda then? The Codex version from D2? Does it need further fixes?

With thrones, at Grim's suggestion I'd agree with a simple 1 lvl 3, 3 lvl 2, 6 lvl 1, 10/13 to win. If there are no complaints, we can get started!
 

Zibniyat

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Well, I can supply a complaint or 2. Shaluda map is too colourful, also don't like its general ugliness, plus what's with the map markers - are those starting points/capitals and if so did you know they're all in mountains?
 

Malakal

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So, no complaints about Shaluda then? The Codex version from D2? Does it need further fixes?

With thrones, at Grim's suggestion I'd agree with a simple 1 lvl 3, 3 lvl 2, 6 lvl 1, 10/13 to win. If there are no complaints, we can get started!

Those points are cancer. Add more thrones and set win ratio at 60% unless you dont want to ever end the game.
 

sqeecoo

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Shaluda it is then. I think it's ugly as fuck too, but we haven't gotten a decent alternative yet.

Yep, I see how the game would last long with that set of thrones. How many would you suggest for 17 players then?
 

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Shaluda it is then. I think it's ugly as fuck too, but we haven't gotten a decent alternative yet.

Yep, I see how the game would last long with that set of thrones. How many would you suggest for 17 players then?

In general I think everyone should have a throne so maybe 4x3 6x2 12x1 thats nice round 36 points and out of those lets say 20-24 tops to win.
 

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Ah, I see you tagged me sqeecoo, obviously the codex farted and I never got the notification...In any case I am too busy atm and the game is already big as it is. I'll shitpost and cheer from the sidelines!

Let the butthurt flow :salute:
 

sqeecoo

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At Dayyālu's suggestion, how about we split this game into two smaller ones? Random rolls to assign half the players to another game, trading places of course permitted by mutual consent. Option to change your pick to something free in the game you are assigned to.

What do you think guys? I like big games, but 17 players is a bit ridiculous, I agree with Johannes on that one.
 

KoolNoodles

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At Dayyālu's suggestion, how about we split this game into two smaller ones? Random rolls to assign half the players to another game, trading places of course permitted by mutual consent. Option to change your pick to something free in the game you are assigned to.

What do you think guys? I like big games, but 17 players is a bit ridiculous, I agree with Johannes on that one.

Ok by me. I might need to focus on the Codexia one anyways......if it ever starts.
 

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I'm fine with splitting. Maybe we can make an UW one :D (Though, from reading around, Ys seems not so good underwater.)
 

mondblut

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At Dayyālu's suggestion, how about we split this game into two smaller ones? Random rolls to assign half the players to another game, trading places of course permitted by mutual consent. Option to change your pick to something free in the game you are assigned to.

What do you think guys? I like big games, but 17 players is a bit ridiculous, I agree with Johannes on that one.

I'd want a really huge one for a change. Half the players will start heavy duty stalling by turn 5 anyway, and I don't mind that :lol:
 

Zibniyat

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I agree. I see no reason for the "splitting", when we can have rigid and clear rules, like 36-48 h hosting interval, maximum extension by 24 h (after which every player is free to stall) etc. What's the point of having "smaller" games? Easier diplomacy?

If this game isn't going to be as envisaged, i.e. if it isn't going to have ~15 players, then I'm out.
 

Dayyālu

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I agree. I see no reason for the "splitting", when we can have rigid and clear rules, like 36-48 h hosting interval, maximum extension by 24 h (after which every player is free to stall) etc. What's the point of having "smaller" games? Easier diplomacy?

Easier diplomacy, and a chance for it to end before December 2017.


If this game isn't going to be as envisaged, i.e. if it isn't going to have ~15 players, then I'm out.

Bye.
 

Zibniyat

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It will end if there are rules and those rules are enforced, unlike many other games where anything goes. But whatever, I withdraw from this game.
 

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