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The Governor’s Dilemma

The governor’s mansion, a double-storeyed building near the edge of the pit, is simple to find, and even simpler to enter. When you told the guards at the gates you were here about Zayan, and after they had gotten a good look at your hat, you were escorted in to meet the governor with little fuss.

The mansion’s interior is quite lavish, as befitting a man of the governor’s status: after all, Ontoglia is one of the most important towns in the kingdom. As you climb the grandiose stairs, flanked by two unwilling guards, you meet a rather pretty girl on her way down. Her hair falls over her shoulders in beautiful golden tresses, and her expression radiates unspoiled innocence. Despite the fairness of her face, you are unable to see the colour of her eyes; they are closed, and she is being guided by a stern-looking woman who seems to be a nanny of some sort. Judging from the finery of her dress and the elegance of her poise, she is most likely the young lady of the house. The governor’s daughter. She seems to notice your presence along with that of the guards, and pauses her careful descent.

“Oh my, another visitor here to visit father?” she asks.

“Yes, m’lady,” nods one of the guards. “No one you need to concern yourself with.”

“I see.” So she says, but she certainly doesn’t. Not with her eyes closed like that. Could she be blind? Even so, she manages to tilt her head towards you. “Father is still talking to Captain Talal, but I am sure he should receive you soon.”

“If he is busy, perhaps you could receive me instead?” You speak without thinking.

“M…Muhchacraken, please watch your tongue! That is the governor’s daughter that you are speaking to!” shouts one of the guards. It looks like you have started antagonizing people early.

“Lady Ellen, you have your studies to get to. Now is not the time for idle chitchat,” admonishes the nanny. “Come now.”

Ellen laughs girlishly. “Yes, I really should. Forgive me for holding you up, sir. Unfortunately, I fear that I am unable to receive you at the moment.”

As she continues to descend the stairs, you are prodded in the back rudely by the guards.

“Hey, move it, you scoundrel. What were you thinking?”

“The governor won’t like it if he hears of this,” warns one of them.

***

When you arrive at the governor’s study, a muscular, tanned man with curly black hair and dashing good looks steps out of the door. He looks strong, and the small scars scattered around his face only add to his charm: he must be popular with women. When he sees you and the guards, he gives a professional salute and a bow, and steps away politely, though not before his eyes flick upwards to the peak of your tall, pointed hat. As he walks away, one of the guards says, “That’s Captain Talal, the leader of the Dijehnese soldiers that escorted Zayan here. Well, if he’s done, you can go in to meet the governor. Be on your best behaviour.”

You chuckle and enter the room. The governor awaits you inside. A balding man of forty or so, he has a strong jaw and is built like a brick wall: he looks like he could be working the mines himself if not for the ill-fitting suit that looks to be a classic example of expensively bad tailoring. He looks up at your approach, and lets out a sigh. “Trider Muh… Muhchacraken, I presume? Am I pronouncing it right? I am Governor Ambrese Hastwell, the man currently in charge of Ontoglia.”

You nod, acknowledging him. It is not like you know how to pronounce the name you made up anyway – they can say it however they like.

The governor continues: “That strange hat. So it’s true. My men have told me that someone fitting your description has… picked up someone of interest.”

“No beating about the bush, Governor. I’m here to find out what is going on and how I can be of service,” you grin, sitting down without waiting for his permission. He frowns but lets it pass. Not too much of a stickler

“What is going on… well, the thing that is going on is another of those little tussles for little advantages between the royal family, which you have inadvertently walked into by stealing the prize.”

“The Crown Prince is involved, or so I hear.”

“Did Zayan tell you that?”

“I have my sources.”

The governor frowns, steepling his thick, meaty fingers. “Then you must understand why I am forced to act carefully in this matter.”

“Aren’t you going against the Crown Prince’s wishes in this matter?”

“Yes, but only because it would upturn the entire system of Ontoglia, changing things too radically, too quickly.”

“And I am to take it that incurring Dijeh’s displeasure would not be pleasant, would it?”

“Not with Barzam and Galbaldy breathing down our necks, no. Then there are the rumours that Gran Byarlant might be making another move in the near future…” With a sigh, Governor Ambrese begins to tap his finger on the table restlessly. “Well, enough of that. What concerns me is what you want, Muhchacraken.”

“I don’t know yet,” you say simply.

“What? Why did you take her, then?”

“I thought it would be interesting,” you say, eliciting a look of astonishment and bewilderment from Ambrese. “Please bear with me here for a little longer, Governor, and entertain my desire for conversation. To help me decide, first let me hear what you have in mind.”

“Returning Zayan to Dijeh, of course. Captain Talal has been remarkably patient, but I fear that if he has to return without his country’s most prized brain, he might not be so calm. Dijeh put their trust in us by agreeing to let Zayan visit. Though their merchants are cut-throat… no perhaps because their merchants are so driven, as a people they put a lot of stock in trust. It is a valuable commodity to them.”

“That would incur the Crown Prince’s displeasure, would it not?”

“It would, but I am aware of the risks.”

“Wait, you did say it was a tussle between the royal family…” you muse.

“That’s right. I was initially tipped off about Zayan’s intentions by the Second Princess, Faislin.”

“That’s your backer, then?”

“Nothing so close, no.” Ambrese shakes his head. “We just happen to have coinciding interests. I want stability for Ontoglia. Princess Faislin wants stability for Methuss as a whole. The Crown Prince’s plan for Zayan's defection and for her to openly start the production of those new mining machines would immediately attract Dijehnese attention, and not the good sort. It would also throw Ontoglia into turmoil quickly enough and that would likely cripple ore production until things get sorted out, regardless of how efficient those machines are. Thankfully, Captain Talal has sworn that none of the problems here will reach his masters’ ears as long as Zayan returns.”

“You seem to view his plan with very little regard, Governor.”

“I think it is foolish and short-sighted, like an already well-fed dog gulping down rotten meat without caring to sniff it. Then again, these are just the thoughts of an old man.”

“I see. I suppose you are confident that even if word gets back to the Crown Prince, he will not seek to get back at you in any way.”

“I… would not put it past Prince Feist. But I am prepared to do what it takes to keep the peace.”

“Even if it means your daughter is put in danger?”

Ambrese’s face grows red, and he bristles, leaning towards you menacingly. “What do you mean, Trider?”

“I am not sure about this man Feist’s character, but is he the sort to spare family members and punish only those who have crossed him? Or is the princess influential enough to protect you should he find out about your betrayal?”

“That is… well, as long as he does not find out, he will not strike off a valuable ally like me directly,” mutters the governor. He does not seem fully convinced himself.

“As long as he does not find out,” you nod, smiling.

His expression darkens. “So here we are at the crux of the matter. What do you want?”

“Hm. I want a lot of things. But first of all, I want to help you resolve this Zayan conundrum. For example… let’s say the Crown Prince does not get his hands on Zayan. Would that restore Ontoglia’s mood?”

“It would, yes.”

“What if, at the same time, Zayan does not return to Dijeh? Would you still make an enemy of the Crown Prince?”

“Hm. Hm. I am… not sure. Certainly, there was nothing about safely delivering Zayan into his hands…”

“A lot of things can happen on the road. These are dangerous times.”

“Enough. What do you suggest?” asks the governor brusquely.

You lean back, waving a finger around in a circle. “I’ll make Zayan disappear. Her escorts too, of course. I’ll take all of the problems out of your hands. Neither the Crown Prince nor Dijeh will see a hair of Zayan after I’m done. Naturally, the prince might see you as an incompetent failure, but you might accept that over inciting his wrath. After all, I am sure that part of his reasoning is to steal a valuable asset away from Dijeh. If his plan is half-complete, he might be satisfied.”

“How would you convince Captain Talal?”

“Who said anything about convincing?”

The governor grows pale. “You mean…”

“They are not returning to Dijeh.” You smile. “It might cause a little tension between the two countries, but nothing as severe as what would happen should the Crown Prince get his way. I am sure the princess would be satisfied with that. Everyone gets a little bit of what they want, and you get to keep the status quo in Ontoglia.”

“And what do you get?” he asks wearily.

***

You are keenly aware that the governor’s patience is almost its limit. Everyone has their breaking point: make too many demands and things will clearly go sour. Of course, asking for less than he expects would definitely improve his disposition towards you. You wonder if you will be able to judge his limit accurately…

A. You show the signet ring given to you by Farland. (+3 limit to negotiation points)

B. You do not show the signet ring given to you by Farland.

I. A recommendation letter from the governor. (1 point)
II. Information about Methuss, its royal family, and politics both international and local. (2 points)
III. Money. As much as you can negotiate. (2 points)
IV. A chunk of magnatite. (3 points)
V. A box of magnatite. (6 points)
VII. The governor’s daughter in your custody, as guarantee he will not turn on you. (8 points)

C. You ask for nothing. Zayan herself is reward enough, though of course he does not need to know that.
 
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Smashing Axe

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Divinity: Original Sin
A II V (8) > A II IV I (6) > A II IV (5) > A II III I (5) > A II III (4) > A II (2) > A VII II (10) > B II
[Descending point cost until conceding to the pleb cool option in exchange for my precious infodump]

A box of magnatite is better than a stack of money and probably exceeds the value to weight ratio of gold anyway, and has infinitely more versatility with Zayan in tow. The governor has a head on his shoulders and is well connected so an infodump from him is probably the best infodump we will be finding for a long time. If we ask for an infodump, let's do it in a coy way. I already know what's up, but I want to see how much you know so tell me everything, sort of thing.

As for whether we should show the ring or not, I don't see much harm in it. The man seems fairly adverse to royal politics and wants to remain as apolitical as possible, so if we show ourselves to be Farland's Agent, he might remain silent, to both keep his own invovlement in this sordid affair quiet and to avoid agitating our presumed benefactor. This is reliant on the Crown Prince and his sister writing the Governor off as an incompetent. If they put pressure on him he might leak information easily, which is not necessarily bad for us anyway. The siblings just might keep silent and eye their brother with more caution from hereon, letting us keep the opportunity to call in favours with the Prince's name later on.

Overall I think showing the ring would just increase the confusion in everyone but us, which is all well and good. They might see plots that aren't actually there.
 
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That's quite an interesting minigame, heh.

I don't think that even with a ring he would entrust a daughter to a complete stranger who is a part of machinations of the Royal family. You just stole a VIP from under his nose, ruined his career, threatened his daughter and offered to slaughter a diplomatic mission... yeah, I don't think this will fly, but if it would, it would be the last boundary. So the upper limit seems to be no higher than 5 points.

I estimate the number of negotiation points as ~3. He might let us get away with money and a recomendation letter. He might even let us get away with a little bit of magnatite. However, anything more than that, and it looks like we are making a tall order.

I would also expect each unspent point of negotiation to result in ~5 Reputation in Ontgolia.

I'd think we have 3 choices here:
- Ask for nothing, appear benevolent, and make a good connection for the future. This might help somewhere down the road if we ever need something from the town, and it sounds like we might.
- We can get money/information and a recomendation letter. These might be able to carry us further than we otherwise would be able to go in the capital. The ore can always be procured in other ways.
- Or we can flash our ring and grab a box of magnatite for our research. That's what we came for.

I don't see a point of requesting a small amount of ore.

So, B1,2; B1,3; A5 or C. I'll have think about it a bit.
 
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A V. I think we can get away with 6 points. More than that will be too risky. If a royal ring is worth only 3 points, then i cant imagine us having more than 3 already.
 
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If a royal ring is worth only 3 points, then i cant imagine us having more than 3 already.
Pretty much this.

Looks like most of us want a box of ore as their prize, with an infodump as a close contender. Alright. Ore it is. A V > B I II.

I wonder if we will meet Ellen again. I think that once we develop our healing magic we might make another visit to the town and indebt the governor more thoroughly. Or Zayan can make some Tleilaxu metal eyes for her. Mind-control is optional. :oops:

Also, it looks like Farland really is the Sixth Prince. The guy doesn't even figure in the current power struggle... or does he? +M Wonder if showing our ring here wouldn't prompt yet another plot.

When you arrive at the governor’s study, a muscular, tanned man with curly black hair and dashing good looks steps out of the door. He looks strong, and the small scars scattered around his face only add to his charm: he must be popular with women.
It is settled, then. He must die.
 
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We have spent a lot of time in this country, yet despite all that time, we know nothing about it. IMO the infodump is absolutely essential. However, there is no fucking way we should even consider going past six points on this one - it is greedy and stupid. Better to ask for less and leave with something than ask for too much and leave with nothing (and that's if we're lucky). I think that while the box of magnatite sounds great, the governor is uniquely situated here in terms of being a great source of information on the politics of the region. We are not going to get a better opportunity for information than this man, who knows the royal family and is well-versed in the politics of other countries given how often he trades with them.

As for whether to show the ring or not, well, since I don't intend to ask for much, I'll refrain from showing the ring. The internal politics and scheming between these various competing princes is messy, and I'd rather not let it be known that we have a relationship with one of them. By not showing the ring, it will leave the governor in doubt as to where our true allegiances lie; for all he knows, we could be an agent of any one of these six competing Princes and Princesses, which I think could be very useful to us down the road.

So, on that note, I'm happy to leave with just a recommendation and an infodump. But, if we decide to forego some potential scheming in exchange for wacky science experiments with Zayan, I won't be too sorry - just don't ask for anything more than that.

B I II > A II IV
 
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As for whether to show the ring or not, well, since I don't intend to ask for much, I'll refrain from showing the ring. The internal politics and scheming between these various competing princes is messy, and I'd rather not let it be known that we have a relationship with one of them.
It would also be very strange for someone who is, for all intents and purposes, a right-hand man for one of the Princes (that's what the signet is for - it's a sign ot trust) not to know anything about internal or external politics.

treave, how big of a box we are talking about here? Do we know anything about the cost of ore?

Modified the vote to include the infodump as a secondary option.
 
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It would also be very strange for someone who is, for all intents and purposes, a right-hand man for one of the Princes (that's what the signet is for - it's a sign ot trust) not to know anything about internal or external politics.

Well, I'm sure we'd do it in a sly, "let me see what you know" kind of way, like Smashing Axe said. I would imagine that the governor would think that we're trying to dig up dirt on the other princes and/or learn things about the neighbouring countries that our "liege" - whoever that is - would be interested in. We'd be asking for information under the guise of being a detective, basically.
 

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Hm, if only we had some way to know our current negotiation points and what these are based on. I bet they're based on our Charisma attribute plus our recent actions (not killing his men made the governor slightly less suspicious about us). Anyway, I vote for:

A II+IV> B I+II. Let's not ask for too much, lest we provoke him. A chunk of magnatite should be enough for now (and we don't know how big that chunk is nor how much is needed to fabricate a familiar, to start). Later on we can steal acquire more through other sources.
 

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A I II III > A V

Ultimate diplomatic preparedness: intro, info, and money. Or FOR SCIENCE!
 

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If magnatite is that valuable, I believe having information + a bit of magnatite is a better option than just magnatite. Infodump is way more useful than risking everything for a suitcase and leave with nothing. A chunk should suffice for now until we get Fortunio and his men to "misplace" more ore than we have the need for. Besides, that way we'll no longer stumble around in the dark, as we have been doing until now.
 

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If magnatite is that valuable, I believe having information + a bit of magnatite is a better option than just magnatite. Infodump is way more useful than risking everything for a suitcase and leave with nothing. A chunk should suffice for now until we get Fortunio and his men to "misplace" more ore than we have the need for. Besides, that way we'll no longer stumble around in the dark, as we have been doing until now.

Well said. Flopped my conditional to A II IV. Assuming there's a six point limit, this would be five points, but I am fine with leaving an extra point on the table and getting a slight bit of goodwill with the governor. The fact of the matter is that we just need the information more than we need the magnatite. I mean, we seriously don't know shit about anything, guys.
 

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A chunk should suffice for now until we get Fortunio and his men to "misplace" more ore than we have the need for.
I would add, however, that there are a lot of costs attached to getting a shipment of magnatite missing.

First, it's time. If a briefcase of this stuff costs 1000 gold, I would expect a wagon to be very well guarded, and any actions taken against the trade that is so profitable to meet a proportional security response. Like, angel-level security. Magnatite is like uranium in our world, there is no simply 'misplacing' this stuff. It will take years until Fortunio gets strong enough to even get a glimpse at such a caravan.

I think that we won't be seeing that much magnatite in a long while. It would be a difference of having Zayan construct something absurdly overpowered in that time, or us simply researching the properties of the ore and maybe getting a lightsaber power source for our trouble.

Second, it's secrecy. I believe it is our only chance to get a crate of it missing without anyone raising a fuss. It's a unique opportunity that we got by having an understanding with the governor of a mining city. Any other chunk of magnatite of this size will have an owner - likely, a very rich and powerful owner - that would not be glad to part with it.

So 'a bit of magnatite' vs 'a lot of magnatite' seems to be a qualitative rather than simply quantitative difference.

Not to diss the importance of a good infodump, but this would be worth it.
 
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Captain Halal Talal = another Theseus? Bros we must be vigilant.

Lightbane basically said everything I was going to. We've been putting off the infodump (with good reason) but the governor is an excellent source we shouldn't pass up. But we also should get the ore we originally came for and a chunk ought to be plenty for running experiments.

A II, IV
 

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Sure having a lot of magnatite would be awesome, but what are we going to do with it in the near term? It's not like we have armies to equip yet.
 

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It is not an ore you produce weapons from. It's a power source, and should be treated as such.

If you want an idea for a project... how about Mieren-sized golem a familiar as a test how far Zayan has advanced in creating lifeforms? We wanted one, remember?
You have an interest in the substance yourself: if your theories about its properties are correct, it would be an excellent material for constructing a familiar…
Like Dogmeat, only spell-slinging and nigh indestructible. :hug:

Or an airship, or a tesla coil, or a transdimensional teleportation device, or an FTL drive, or whatever her mad genius can come up with.
 
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This may be excellent opportunity to get good reward for saving prince and pissing of Barzam, since it sounds that magnatite is awesome.

However I am bit wary about showing the ring, since we don't know anything about political situation around here and between royal family members. I refrain from attempt gain maximium gains in this and be content with simple things.

B II
 

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You guys voting for A II IV, why not throw the letter of recommendation for the governor on there as well? I'll flop to that if we do. We have the signet ring of the youngest do gooder prince at the cost of an enemy waifu for Rancing. We might as well use it for good effect.

The way I see it :

I. A recommendation letter from the governor. (1 point) - This gets us in with the second princess when we get to the capital. The governor acted against the crown prince on her behalf and his introduction lets us get into her circle easily and might have weight with other factions.
II. Information about Methuss, its royal family, and politics both international and local. (2 points) - Info dump and Methuss high level politics and royal family shenanigans.
III. Money. As much as you can negotiate. (2 points) - Money, probably around 500 gold.
IV. A chunk of magnatite. (3 points) - Enough for us to research and probably make our familiar.
V. A box of magnatite. (6 points) - We get our research, a familiar for sure, and we have enough left over for Zayan to go crazy experimenting.
VII. The governor’s daughter in your custody, as guarantee he will not turn on you. (8 points) - Probably only possible with an A charisma, most likely leads to us being expelled without anything if not combat.
 

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I. A recommendation letter from the governor. (1 point) - This gets us in with the second princess when we get to the capital.
A good point. However, her caring about stability and our dealings with Farland might sour our relationship. Still, I'd take it, just to have more options.

III. Money. As much as you can negotiate. (2 points) - Money, probably around 500 gold.
Haha, no.

I would think about 20 or so, if not less. We must be confused by a sky-high cost of magnatite, but we should understand that there is almost no way for us to buy or sell it legally. It does not really have a money equivalent because you won't find a buyer for this stuff, and if you ever try, the state security will be upon you in moments. It might as well cost a million.

Real money, the kind you can throw around indiscriminately, would be available in substantially less quantities than what a cost of magnatite would suggest.

IV. A chunk of magnatite. (3 points) - Enough for us to research and probably make our familiar.
A chunk sounds to me like a big fist-sized piece. Hardly enough for a familiar, but enough to get a research going.

The governor’s daughter in your custody, as guarantee he will not turn on you. (8 points) - Probably only possible with an A charisma, most likely leads to us being expelled without anything if not combat.
There is no point. You don't ask for a hostage - you take the hostage. Something we should consider when/if we take over Methuss and have to ensure the loyalties of its various regions.
 
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We can go for a "balanced pack" like A I II IV since we mostly agree that we are at around 3 point without signet and 6 points with signet. This way we get recommendation, infodump and also a chuck to experiment and see if its worth it (probably does). Although i dont really know if the recommendation will have any pull with the princess if the Mayor is considered a dumbfuck after all this.
I am willing to flop to the "balanced pack (tm)" if it gains supporters.


PS: We are heading to the capital after this so i dont think its worth it to keep the signet hidden. We are most likely going to do something to piss off prince charming and the ring will be worthless after that.
 

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