When discussing RPGs, why are the new gamers excluded?

[Pablosdog]

It's like with any medium. You can't help but feel slightly miffed when some young ragamuffin steps and declares that his favorite game is YOUR favorite game(I mean you were there when it all began right?) It's just a feeling though, it's not a rational one. It just leaves you slightly perturbed.

 

[DragoFireheart]

That's why you are considered a moron for the most part.

Yup, quote me where I said EVERY codexer treats newfags with disregard because they think they possibly couldn't like old games. Go on, I'm waiting.

 

[sser]

Well, new gamers are playing games that have a whole different set of mechanics. It can be difficult to have a really nice discussion on what could be a good game if all the other guy knows is cover-shooting, precise quest trackers, useless stats, instant teleportation, etc. I still think there are a number of games out there that use old-school mechanics to great success, but there is nothing with the production value of Oblivion/Mass Effect. I thought Dragon Age would be it (gasp), but it scaled everything back in its sequel (no, I don't consider them the same). I think Demons' Souls and Risen give a good fight, though.

 

[Destroid]

A funny thing about new gamers (say someone who started playing video games when the 360 came out) is that they would have never seen graphics technology change, outside of tech demos and promo videos.

 

[DragoFireheart]

A funny thing about new gamers (say someone who started playing video games when the 360 came out) is that they would have never seen graphics technology change, outside of tech demos and promo videos.

The current gen has been relatively stagnant compared to previous gens. Shouldn't we have a new system with graphical improvements by now? The 360 came out in 2005, which means it's been 6 years since it was released.

NA:
The NES came out in 1985.
The SNES came out in 1991.
The N64 came out in 1996.
The Gamecube came out in 2001.

Looking at previous patterns of systems being released, this gen should be ending very soon if not by next year. Yet, it doesn't seem like it is going to any time soon.

 

[MasterSmithFandango]

The 360 and PS3 are still operating at a loss in the hardware department, so developing a new system right now would probably sink them. The Wii, on the other hand, was pretty far behind tech wise, so I think they are developing a new system. Plus, graphically, there isn't such a big jump to make for consoles right now (while PC is superior, to an untrained eye maybe not noticeably so), they just have no reason to.

 

[DragoFireheart]

The 360 and PS3 are still operating at a loss in the hardware department, so developing a new system right now would probably sink them.

-But that isn't what matters to them due to the loyalists they get from games, right?

The Wii, on the other hand, was pretty far behind tech wise, so I think they are developing a new system. Plus, graphically, there isn't such a big jump to make for consoles right now (while PC is superior, to an untrained eye maybe not noticeably so), they just have no reason to.

-So does that mean developers may be forced at some point to put out a better product (game design wise) due to the system limitations?

 

[KalosKagathos]

I think some people ITT missed the Wii U announcement.

 

[DragoFireheart]

I think some people ITT missed the Wii U announcement.

I heard about the Wii U. I was more referring to ALL of the systems rather than just Nintendo who seems to be right on schedule. You have to remember that the Wii was a generation behind in graphics so it could pursue a different market and not compete with PS3/Xbox360. The Wii is nothing more than a Gamecube with a upgraded version of this to play games:

 

[MasterSmithFandango]

Wii U... new Nintendo system I take it? Okay, then my point still stands. The 360 and PS3 still have no reason to come out with a new system.

 

[Destroid]

A funny thing about new gamers (say someone who started playing video games when the 360 came out) is that they would have never seen graphics technology change, outside of tech demos and promo videos.

The current gen has been relatively stagnant compared to previous gens. Shouldn't we have a new system with graphical improvements by now? The 360 came out in 2005, which means it's been 6 years since it was released.

NA:
The NES came out in 1985.
The SNES came out in 1991.
The N64 came out in 1996.
The Gamecube came out in 2001.

Looking at previous patterns of systems being released, this gen should be ending very soon if not by next year. Yet, it doesn't seem like it is going to any time soon.

And consider the cracking pace that graphics cards had:

98 - Voodoo2
99 - Voodoo3/TNT2/Geforce 256
2001 - Geforce 3
2002 - Radeon 9800
2004 - x800
2006 - Geforce 8800

And from there the pace really slowed. By no means a comprehensive list, but I owned most of those cards and the others were notable performance steps. Even buying the very top end would give you big problems on new games after two years, during this period.

 

[DragoFireheart]

And consider the cracking pace that graphics cards had:

98 - Voodoo2
99 - Voodoo3/TNT2/Geforce 256
2001 - Geforce 3
2002 - Radeon 9800
2004 - x800
2006 - Geforce 8800

And from there the pace really slowed. By no means a comprehensive list, but I owned most of those cards and the others were notable performance steps. Even buying the very top end would give you big problems on new games after two years, during this period.

Is the slower pace at which graphic cards/updates being released a positive thing for gaming?

 

[Falkner]

Well, where could you still go with graphics? Do we need complete photo realism?
If the developers have to focus more on the art design, I definitely welcome the slower pace. Even if it doesn't get rid of all the other problems of games nowadays.

 

[Destroid]

It seems completely inconsequential because devs don't usefully push the visuals due to multiplatform, Crysis was the last time someone tried did that and they went multiplatform right after. I find it pretty hilarious when I see comments on youtube complaining that the graphics to an xbox game sequel are no better than they were in the first title, despite the two having to run on identical hardware.